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06.25.08, 18:43 PM NY Schools
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ps41 or ps11? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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depends if you mean 11 G&T or not. I'd do 11 G&T over 41, but 41 over 11 gen ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:45 PM Flag
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g&t. why 11 g&t over 41? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:48 PM Flag
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PS 11 G&T. But why are you asking now? I thought G&T acceptance was due last week. This year, there are so many high scores DCs in 11. Academically, it will be strong. Also small class size and music/art program is wonderful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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we accepted at 11 but hadn't heard about zoned lottery. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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Do you care about 41? Have you registered at 11 already? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:10 PM Flag
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yes, no. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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is it too late for you to register at 11? I would personally go for the G&T at 11. Going to be a very strong set of kids, two small classes, and the school is great. current parent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:46 PM Flag
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smaller class size, smaller school, more diversity in the school (although the G&T may not be as diverse as in years past)...swimming pool, more laid back/down to earth parent body, and I think 11 has better teachers overall than 41 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:52 PM Flag
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how do you know this about the teachers? particularly the g&t teachers? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:03 PM Flag
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I guess I should have prefaced my response with the fact that dc goes to 11 G&T - finishing 2nd grade and I've never heard any complaints about the teachers. I chose it for the reasons I mentioned - we were all set to move into the 41 zone 3 years ago....so glad we didn't. Meanwhile I've had two friends who were not happy with their teachers at 41 (one in K, one in 1st, but this was a few years ago too so maybe they aren't there anymore...and it's just two people's opinions- so still not that valid a point, I admit) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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ok, thanks. we didn't have a chance to tour 11 (it wasn't our fc) and we only just found out about 41, so it has been stressful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:20 PM Flag
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I have a friend whose DC is in 1st grade G&T. She(and DC) loves her. She says all the G&T teachers(may be gen ed. too) are so wonderful. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:13 PM Flag
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ita. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:48 PM Flag
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ps41. it has a better track record and more parents who are willing and able to get involved, financially and otherwise (as opposed to ps11 g&t plus gen ed). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:49 PM Flag
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I heard PS11s fundraising more than doubled this year. Might have been low to begin with, but seems like there is a lot of upward momentum there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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yes, a few years ago they raised about 30K. This year they raised close to $150K. They know they are going to lose their funding and everyone has stepped up the fundraising. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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but that's nothing compared to the $400-$500k raised by the richer schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:59 PM Flag
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you're right but I think the economic diversity in the school is worth far more than 300K. There is a downside to having your dc in a school where most everyone is pretty well off financially [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:17 PM Flag
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yes, it's nice to slum with the poor dcs from the projects and feel so sanctimonious while you do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:33 AM Flag
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if that's what you call it....you may be shocked to know that some of those 'project' dcs are in the G&T [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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^I'm actually shocked that you would tell somebody that they are 'slumming' if they are in a school where everyone isn't rich [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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you've missed the point entirely. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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not this year i doubt. and that's what i find troubling about the school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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you sound like you'd fit right in at 41, with all those 50 yo masters of the universe and their young ivy league educated wives, who go shut out of privates. 41 is a scary place for those who don't mind truly diverse schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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if you're so committed to diversity, walk the walk. don't send dc to a g&t, which is all about rich whitey avoiding the poor black dcs down the hall. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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it's interesting. i asked a principal at one of the best public schools in the city what the single most important factor was when it comes to a successful public school, and she said money. when i expressed surprise, she said when there's money to make sure the school is running, the teachers can focus on teaching the dcs, and that especially with all the budget cuts, raising money is crucial. btw, her school raises a ton considering its size. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:20 PM Flag
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this is depressing to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:24 PM Flag
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it's the reality of nyc public schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:29 PM Flag
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one principal can be misguided [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:30 AM Flag
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Who raises $500K? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:01 AM Flag
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41, 234, 87, anderson (k-8, but still), etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:52 AM Flag
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but there's a definite ceiling there when it comes to fundraising. the majority of it is done by the two g&t classes per grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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that will change big time this year. There are a lot of neighborhood kids going into 11 gen ed this year whereas in the past the school couldn't fill it's spots with neighborhood kids so they gave a lot of variances and bussed a lot of kids in from outside the zone [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:19 PM Flag
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you're talking about the g&t. but the majority of dcs are in the gen ed, and those dcs don't have money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:22 PM Flag
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sorry, i misread^ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:25 PM Flag
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no, gen ed too. Up until last year's K, they could never fill their gen ed seats with in-zone dcs (or their G&T seats). That is how quickly the school has turned around. This year there were quite a few sibs starting k who didn't make the olsat cut and they are going to go into the gen ed...same thing happened with PS9 a few years ago [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:27 PM Flag
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no offense, but it hasn't turned around because people are choosing ps11. the reason the seats are being filled by neighborhood dcs is because they can no longer get variances to ps3 and ps41. parents are sending their dcs there reluctantly. maybe they will donate more than the people who were bussed in, but there certainly isn't a woo-hoo! rah, rah spirit among the parents i know headed for ps11 gen ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:36 PM Flag
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The g&t is doing for 11 what it did for 116. Practically in an identical fashion [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:36 AM Flag
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Ding ding ding! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:35 AM Flag
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the gen ed, especially after this year's test, has and will have a real mix of kids, reflecting Chelsea. The increased fundraising year to year (what are they saying above... up from 30K to 60K to 160K?) is showing that. They may not raise as much $ as a wealthier school, but the dedication seems to be there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:29 PM Flag
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this may sound harsh, but it's not the dedication that matters it's the money that's raised. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:32 PM Flag
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you are depressing me again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:33 PM Flag
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I'll take dedication over the extra money [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:34 PM Flag
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I agree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:36 PM Flag
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yes, and in an ideal world, that would be enough. but the budget cuts in nyc are crushing the life out of the schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:44 PM Flag
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bunk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:37 AM Flag
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but if you feel that way, 41 would work much better than 11. 41 doesn't want your participation and dedication - they want your money. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:37 AM Flag
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this is bulls*t. i'm so sick of the 41 bashing on this board. np, btw. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:31 AM Flag
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the people who i know who live in chelsea are not going to ps11 gen ed by choice. they are all either going private or g&t and the people who are not do not have huge bucks. they live in penn south or otherwise don't have tons to donate to the school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:28 PM Flag
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OK Penn South Peril mom. FWIW, I know at least 3 families in Penn South who have vacation homes upstate or in the Hamptons. Just because they live in Penn South doesn't mean they are poor. If I could buy a 3 bedroom apt in that location for 40K, I'd do it too [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:32 PM Flag
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sorry, but there's no comparison between the parents in penn south and the ones at 41 or 234. maybe some of them have vacation homes, but if you spend time on the playgrounds there on any given weekend in the summer, they're packed with people not buying out the calypso in sag harbor. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:43 PM Flag
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You are right that some people believe 41 is better. And as a matter of fact, I know 3 or 4 people in Penn South who are lying about their addresses and sending dc to 41 so those PS41 has plenty of 'low class' Penn South people among it's ranks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 04:16 AM Flag
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I have to say that the responses about people living in penn south and being less parents and "low class" based on money is a perfect example of why I would never send my dc to 41 and I am zoned for 3/41. This line of the thread is disgusting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:32 AM Flag
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Same here - that and the fact that the dcs in our bldg at 41 are 1) not rocket scientists, and 2) are from very materialistic families, crystallizes 41 for me as the private school shut-out choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:10 AM Flag
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way to generalize. your neighbors' dcs may not be geniuses but the test scores at 41 are very good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:35 AM Flag
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first off, i never said people in penn south were low-class. i said most didn't own homes in the hamptons. someone used the low-class slur to try to flame me for something i never said. second, i never claimed to be 41 parent, so why you're trashing me for being one is puzzling. the discussion was about whether or not ps11 was going to get huge infusions of donations now that the demographic has supposedly changed. that's all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 06:18 AM Flag
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I quote "sorry, but there is no comparison between the parents in Penn South and the ones at 41 and 234"...I found it funny because there are plenty of Penn South parents at 41 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:08 AM Flag
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there aren't plenty. there are a few cheaters. but there won't be going forward. and anyway, what does this have to do with calling them low-class? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:37 AM Flag
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well, what exactly does the phrase "no comparison" refer to then? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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sigh. we're talking about hhi. read the thread. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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I think small class size is a pretty big deal right now and going forward. I am curious to see what 41s class size cap is, actually. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:10 PM Flag
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whatever it is, it will be higher than 11's. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:14 PM Flag
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g&t at 11. Because, its g&t with small classes and high scorers and the doe states that the curriculum will be advanced in g&t rooms starting next year instead of the same, you will have a better shot at middle schools coming from g&t program, 41 will have large classes next year - 11 small, and if you hate 11 - you can go to 41 next year. They will make room for a high scoring bright child. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 05:28 AM Flag
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this is a good answer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:03 AM Flag
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not really. op could very well wind up at 3. 41 is not guaranteeing spots anymore even for 1st grade. also, it's not true that g&t necessarily give you a better shot at a top middle school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 07:48 AM Flag
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np: 3 is a great school, and more like ps11 g&T than 41. And, *all else equal*, of course doing well in a g&T program will give dc an edge in the middle school process. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:54 AM Flag
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I disagree that coming from a G&T matters in any way in the middle school admissions process (beyond what kind of eductaion the kid has gotten there). It's about the kid, the kid's scores, latest report card, and any test/interview/audition. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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np and ita. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:07 AM Flag
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once you have gone thru the middle school process, you may very well change your mind. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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or: I have gone through middle school process - twice - my gen ed dcs did great, both got their first choice schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.26.08, 10:34 AM Flag
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