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06.25.08, 08:18 AM General Topics
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how come a g+t like lab can't achieve a higher % of 4s? http://www.nytimes.com/projects/nyctestscores/counties/search?school=lower+lab&county=Manhattan [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.25.08, 08:18 AM Flag
 

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For the 1000th time - LL has self contained special ed classes. when you look at scores you MUST make sure you are only looking at general ed scores. Once you have done that, you must also take into account that such a small number of students taking the test affects the %. IF one child is sick and has a bad test, the results are skewed far more than if one child at PS 41 is sick -- get it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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there are only a handful of special ed kids - 10 tops and spread across all grades. i think there were 2 5th graders this year in se this year, so that's only 3.55 of the 58 total 5th graders. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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^^^sorry meant 3.5% of the 58 kids [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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There were 60 5th graders who took the test if you count all students and 52 5th grade "general ed" (non-special ed) students. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:47 AM Flag
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As for the other grades, 5 in the 3rd grade and 6 in the 4th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:50 AM Flag
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5 in the 3rd grade and 6 in the 4th grade did what? Met grade level in one subject? What the heck is wrong with that? Can't a student be a math guy and not great in English (my dh) or great in English and fine in math (me). To what standard are you trying to hold these elementary school children? Perfection in everything? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:54 AM Flag
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No - 5 special ed kids are in the 3rd grade of LL and 6 special ed kids in the 4th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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oh, I see. Thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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And to make it more clear, there were apparently 8 special ed kids in the 5th grade. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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no but it is g&t and to be invited to test for hunter in 6th, your 5th grade scores have to be in top 10% [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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But is there an underlying perception that a g&t program must be filled with every child over achieving in math and english? If so, its totally insane. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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np - G&Ts should actually be filled with kids who score 4s and high 3s. They got in because of their test-taking ability. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:08 AM Flag
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They got in based on IQ testing done at the onsite, no written test was ever taken. And not all smart kids end up testing well. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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it's true, but considering how much test prep they do... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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There are a good number of kids getting 3s, that is a fact. Why is another story. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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and in reading! that's the school's speciality, isn't it? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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ELA test is a lot harder than the math, and scores are lower in most schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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How many children in each grade got 3? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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Here are the numbers for LL (PS 77) non-special ed kids (the G&T kids in other words): 56% of 3rd graders scored a 4 in ELA and 82% a 4 in math..........62% of 4th graders scored a 4 in ELA and 94% a 4 in math...............44% of 5th graders scored a 4 in ELA and 96% a 4 in math [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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^^^I don't know if you'd find another school with as high a percentage of 4 scorers. Anderson is probably basically the same - higher in some groups, lower in others. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:51 AM Flag
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wow I just looked at Anderson's and was shocked to see for 5th grade only 31% 4s - 12% moved from 4 to 3 since last year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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The test changes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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the kids change too, but wasn't it all in the papers about how scores went up this year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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When the papers say that, generally they're talking about the poorly performing schools doing better. What you are talking about - Anderson or LL kids scoring a 4 in ELA - is really neither here nor there. The kids are doing fantastically really. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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But fifth grade scores should be huge focus for Anderson, as most of those kids want a shot at Hunter which uses fifth grade scores to invite kids. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:07 AM Flag
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To qualify for Hunter, a dc needs to score in the top 10% of that year - not a straight score cut-off. So if the test was difficult, it would be difficult for all the 5th graders. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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Those aren't the correct stats for Anderson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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can you use the number of children tested to tell us how many actually scored a 3? If you have a class of 2 and one gets a 3 and one gets a 4 - then you get 50%. How did it shake down with a class of 56? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:51 AM Flag
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You can just look at the data. What grade and math or ELA? I'll do it for you if you want. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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Thank you, its not important. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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Not sure what you're talking about. Can you clarify? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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Its not important - I was just saying % don't mean as much as saying 50 children scored a 4 and 6 children scored a 3. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:06 AM Flag
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These are all "4" scores. No "3" scores in this thread. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:09 AM Flag
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The point of the op is that there were too many 3's and not enough 4's, lol [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:12 AM Flag
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The OP was also not looking at the right numbers anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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op: how was I looking at wrong #s? http://www.nytimes.com/projects/nyctestscores/counties/search?school=lower+lab&county=Manhattan [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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Didn't you read all the posts that followed your original post? You're not looking at the G&T only scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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Sure I did - but are you looking at another set of numbers at or are you extrapolating based on your knowledge of the number of special eds? Please point me to the right numbers if they exist- my dc is at lab in G&T and lots of 3s in reading regardless of the small number of special ed children. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.25.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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