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06.23.08, 18:01 PM New York City
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% who got 4 in Math in 4th grade: LL: 91%, Anderson 92%, 9:77%, 130:67%199:65%,116:60%, 290:59%, 89:58%, 3:55%, 41:53%, 234:53% 166:50%, 87:43%, 163:38%, 11:21%,212:18%, [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 06.23.08, 06:01 PM Flag
 

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Wow, I guess LL is tops then (since scores include the self-contained special needs class?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:10 PM Flag
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Lower Lab is 94% in 4th grade math scoring 4s if you just count gen ed students. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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So LL has the highest 4th grade math scores in the city, even though it uses D2 "terc" that so many hate, and at Nest, which uses Singapore that so many think is so much better, only 64% scored at grade level? Very interesting! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:35 PM Flag
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gen ed isn't the right word--I think you mean non-special needs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:36 PM Flag
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whoops--I'm wrong--I just read below [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:38 PM Flag
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What does this mean? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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333? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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that's Anderson?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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No - MSC. Anderson is 334. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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MSC sucked, very low [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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NP - you're wrong. Way better than a lot of what was posted above. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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MSC had 27% of 4th graders scoring 4s. So not way better than those listed above. BUT - once again, like 212 below - MSC is NOT a G&T program. Their 3+4 percentage is excellent (90%). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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Exactly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:48 PM Flag
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Plus in 2007 they had something like 44% of 4th graders scoring 4s. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:33 PM Flag
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A tiresome observation - whether a school is good is not all about the test scores. On the one hand, UBers are always banging on about how public schools do nothing but teach to the test from 3rd grade to 5th grade, on the other hand they are all besotted with how well particular schools do on these state tests! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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I agree that the ELA tests are so stupid, that they are not a sign of anything given a certain basic level of literacy, of how well kids take tests or have been prepped. But math is math. Why wouldn't math tests count as a show of ability of math? Other than those kids who freeze or who are very slow by nature? I think math tests count. LL is impressive since it includes the gen ed. (Does it really?) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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No, LL has a small group of Special Ed kids who, if you look at the scores for All Students, are included. But if you scroll down the DOE test pages, you'll come to a section marked General Education Students - that's where the G&T Lower Lab kids' scores are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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^^^In other words, "General Ed" just means non-Special Ed [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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Sadly, the scores are important. If you are at K-5 you need great 4th great scores to get into MS of your choice. If you are at Anderson, you need great fifth grade scores to get a shot at Hunter HS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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PS199 is the best zoned-only school [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:32 PM Flag
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The question is, did Lower Lab et al MAKE the kids good at the subjects tested, or did they attract a selection of well-prepared, gifted children who would have tested as well no matter what school they went to? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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Lab's math scores were better than Anderson and NEST. You can't just point to selection, especially since the Anderson draws citywide and kids were screened with SB of 95. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:05 PM Flag
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I would say that Lab and Anderson's 4th grade scores were pretty even. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:22 PM Flag
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Midtown West (212)is embarassing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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They actually did very well if you look at 3+4 scores. You have to remember that 212 isn't a gifted program, so you shouldn't be looking for a large number of 4 scorers. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:42 PM Flag
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Curious. what is the % for NEST? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:16 PM Flag
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64% [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:20 PM Flag
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wow. there is big difference between Anderson, LL and Nest for math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:30 PM Flag
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You mean between Anderson/LL and Nest? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:30 PM Flag
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yes. I mean Anderson and LL at the same level. Nest is far low. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:37 PM Flag
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np. like i've said all along, nest just isn't a good school. there are plenty of gen eds that are way better. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:35 PM Flag
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what does that mean" got 4"? does this mean score 4, so the full score is 5? thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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no, 4 is the highest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:43 PM Flag
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wow. that is wonderful. can you please tell me the source of this information? thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:45 PM Flag
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gotta say, this is not exactly high level secret information - state tests are scored at level 1,2,3 and 4 - where have you been? This is the NY Schools board [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:50 PM Flag
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http://schools.nyc.gov/daa/2008ela/default.asp http://schools.nyc.gov/daa/2008math/default.asp [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:50 PM Flag
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thanks. but could not understand. in the 2nd link, for example, in D2, I could find name of LL. in D3, I could not find name of anderson. THANKS [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:59 PM Flag
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Anderson is PS 334. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 08:15 PM Flag
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Here's the insideschools site which has both links (same as above): [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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http://insideschools.blogspot.com/2008/06/2008-test-scores.html [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:53 PM Flag
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but isn't this mixing apples and oranges? anderson and lower lab don't have gen eds. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:55 PM Flag
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