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06.23.08, 17:29 PM News
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anyone interesred in a good rousing political debate? You state your case and I will argue [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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john mccain is halfway to comatose and his wife looks like she just emerged from the grotto at the Playboy Mansion and had her hair done. discuss. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:31 PM Flag
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np: that's not political, that's just catty. Try again. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:32 PM Flag
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OP ITA. Can we talk issues? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:33 PM Flag
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OK... Why has neither candidate proposed a huge initiative to reinvigorate the city of Detroit with a push to create electronic / new fuel tech cars that will help us be on the cutting edge of new technology once again, extract us from the oil equation in this respect, AND put Americans back to work ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:43 PM Flag
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good one. I think tax cuts are the way to go here. Give tax incentives to companies that hire americans, move to depressed areas and work on alternative fuels [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:52 PM Flag
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I'm thinking more a gov't initiative like the Manhattan Project but not making bombs... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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the gov't really messes things up more often than not. I like a hands off approach to most things. Let the free market work. Prices are high. People will come up with something. As they say - necessity is a mother [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:54 PM Flag
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not true at all... not based in fact but a propganda line of the right who wants everything deregulated into the pockets of big companies and the already wealthy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:55 PM Flag
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IDA. All the talk about excessive profits is ridiculous. Oil companies are publicly owned. WHo gets the profits? Look at your 401K. I'll bet you own stock in Exxon etc. The right actually wants more freedom - well they used to anyway. That's why I'm a libertarian and not a republican anymore. Let the free market work [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:57 PM Flag
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do you mean to reply here ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:00 PM Flag
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ummmm...maybe not. LOL! responding to 6 dif people. Let me think about it [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:01 PM Flag
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why are people against gay marriage? how does a same-sex couple nullify or even threaten your hetero marriage. discuss... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:39 PM Flag
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OP ok - I can't even begin to argue against that one! LOL! And I'm a conservative! I don't see the problem. I think Britannt Spears etc have done more to destroy marriage than all the gay people inthe world [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:40 PM Flag
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This one is basic math; gay marriage equals payouts, retirement and insurance benefits. The friends of current ruling administration are big insurance and finance conglomerates. The right wing, fundamental Christian population are only too happy to oblige by signing upwith their ignorant protesting rants. It's a beautiful setup! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:23 PM Flag
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wow i had never thought ot that. thanks. it is liek the whoel change in bankruptcy laws. it is not abotu poeple takign financial responsibiulity, it is abotu credit card companies scamming mor epoeple out of their money. credit card offers are sent to every tom dick and harry including teenage college students, people on public assistance or other federal aid, unemployed etc. and then when these people default credit card companies still want their money, but when bear stearns screws up, the feds help the company get bought out! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.30.08, 05:52 PM Flag
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I can't handle having a war with Iran unless drop dead necessary (like we know that they are going to bomb us or Israel next week). If we go in, they will have to institute a draft, and it will become a very bad situation. Therefore I am not voting for McCain, because he really is in favor of going in. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:46 PM Flag
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Why Israel? Why not any other country? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:00 PM Flag
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I threw in Israel b/c it is our ally closest to Iran, so I figure if they aren't capable of bombing us, they will bomb Israel. Obviously, we found out that they are going to bomb Japan, England, etc. I would say the same thing.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:03 PM Flag
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a national draft is both necessary and fair. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:49 PM Flag
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It probably is necessary, but it will never be fair b/c richer kids will get exempt to go to college.... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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a draft is a horrible idea. The armed forces should be staffed by people who want to be tehere. You can't have a good defense comprised of people who are pacifists and wimps [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:55 PM Flag
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it seemed to work in WW I and WW II. did we not win those wars ? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:01 PM Flag
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yes but the thinking was different then. People were gung ho for war. Now - since Vietnam and the beginning of media reporting from the front, people have diff attitudes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:02 PM Flag
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well I would argue that we shuld not be going to war unless the country is - as you say "gung ho". When the population is behind a military undertaking than it should be initiated. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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do you agree that it is possible that a president (not even the current one necesarily) knows things we, as the general public, do not? Would you agree that perhaps it could be in our country's intrest to go to war even if the population is agianst it? I would also posit that some people have a kind of 60's hangover where they think that any war ever is bad and would protest in the streets against any war even if we were attacked. I think popular support is important, but not the only thing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:08 PM Flag
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Has there been a war that has been this way ? can you give me an example or is this just a hypothetical ? Vietnam, bad choice and no information secret or otherwise that made it right. Iraq, no information that makes it seem to have been such. I'd like an example. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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can't give an example. Been out of history class for too many years. Just saying hypothetically, it's possible. I think people mighth have been more naive for the WWs, but WW2 was basically a good thing in the end even though so many people died. War is never good. But soemtimes it is necessary [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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I don't think you should require a history class to remember modern wars. You just need to think about your statement and see if it *really* makes sense... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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maybe the diff attitudes are because war sucks and when you see it you are wary about jumping into it. i think that's good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:07 PM Flag
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What's your year of birth? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:25 PM Flag
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The Republicans are behind the horrendous increase in oil prices and subsequent gas gouging just so they could garner support for drilling off Alaska and Florida. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:51 PM Flag
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now that is just ignorant. Everyone knows it;s the environmentalists who are causing high gas prices by restricting drilling in Alaksa and coast of Florida [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:53 PM Flag
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no, don't throw the ignorant card here. the amount of oil available off Florida and Alaska is not even close to the amount needed to help with the world's current oil pressures and our pressures at home. That is inaccurate and not based in fact. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:56 PM Flag
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The US is the world's third largest producer of oil already, the problem is we use that up and everyone else's as well... (This is according to CIA factbook) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:59 PM Flag
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I don't think so. I'm not sure they even know how myuch is out there. Besides, have you heard that China is working with Cuba to drill in the gulf of mexico? Weird eh? The environmentalists are keeping us from doing it but have no power over them. They will come and take the oil that we could have and then charge us triple what is should cost if we let the free market work. Get the gov't out of the way [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:59 PM Flag
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It won't solve our current problems by a long shot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:05 PM Flag
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if we spent a quarter of the time actually learning about the world we live in as we do learning about who Lindsay Lohan is sleeping with the world would be in a better way... and George Bush would not have been elected president [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:55 PM Flag
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If indigent, the elderly should be euthanized [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:00 PM Flag
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OP ok - you scare me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:01 PM Flag
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You have no counterargument, therefore I will assume you concede my point [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:04 PM Flag
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LOL! Not at all. Life is precious. I am against abortion and euthanasia. I am against assisted suicide in almost all cases. I do not concede your point and you still scare me [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:06 PM Flag
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Life is precious--in particular, the lives of the young, such as those in poor countries, that are impacted or even lost because Western society spends so much money extending the unproductive life of the elderly, including those who cannot pay for it themselves [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:08 PM Flag
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ALL life is precious and we should do what we can to help all people have a good shot at a good life. That does not mean sacrificing some for others. However, I see your point. Life will never be fair but we can work to make it more so without killing off old indigent citizens [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:11 PM Flag
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As medical science advances, it will become theoretically possible to extend life further and further by more and more expensive means, if euthanasia is not employed--either directly or implicitly by denial of care. How specifically would you avoid this [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:12 PM Flag
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^^ I take your silence as assent. I have won the rousing political debate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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LOL! Give me a minute willya? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:17 PM Flag
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wow. Ok this is getting kind of heavy for UB ;-) I tend to want to rely on the free market and people's good sense. There will always be inequities in life. You can't avoid that. There will always be some old fart who should just die and won't and some little kid who could use the kidney. It's life. It's not fair. I think the best we can do is to let the free market advance technology and moral thinkers express their various views. Not sure how specific I can get on something so theoretical [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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You are too late, and this really avoids my argument anyway. Better to just concede. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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I will not. And I am not avoinding. It's complicated beyond UB's capabilities (and mine at the moment I guess) Life is precious and it's not fair and we arent going to be able to make it so. We are also not going to be able to ration healthcare in any way that makes sense - ever. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:21 PM Flag
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Then you advocate the death of children, through passive denial of care/assistance to extend the life of the elderly. Nice. Well, that is certainly your prerogative, I will have to agree to disagree with you on that one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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