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06.23.08, 13:02 PM NY Schools
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Anderson is supposed to be accelerated, right? This means they cover material beyond a particular grade level. Can someone explain why there are a sizeable number of children scoring in level 3 (at grade level)? Wouldn't one expect almost all kids scoring 4s? (I'm going by the post earlier with the breakdown of ELA/Math scores for Anderson, so haven't looked at NEST yet) [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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only math is accelarated [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:06 PM Flag
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Same question, then. I was also referring to Math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:06 PM Flag
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Just because the math is accelerated a year doesn't mean that the kids have it completely mastered. Just like in any school, in any grade, there are going to be A+, A, B+, B, etc [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:07 PM Flag
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yes, but if they are accelerated in math by one year (so 3rd graders are learning 4th grade math), and the test measures proficiency in 3rd grade math (not 4th grade) then doesn't a level 3 mean they are below grade-level in terms of the accelerated 4th grade math they are learning? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:26 PM Flag
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They must be, since 3 means they are at grade level for current grade. Though a high 3 means they are pretty close. Still, those are the kids that would do better without the acceleration. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:29 PM Flag
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np, those tests are designed to test minimum competency. A four should be a breeze for an A student [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:32 PM Flag
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and so the existence of level 3 scores means...? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:37 PM Flag
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That there are some B or B- students there? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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That the kid forgot some of last year's math work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:22 PM Flag
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Not always, depends if dc is a good tester, which is not the same thing as good student. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:37 PM Flag
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Anderson overall was the top scoring school in the state..... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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thank you for pointing that out. i wasn't sure. where do you see rankings, btw? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:22 PM Flag
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How could it not be? They pick the highest scoring kids to enter to begin with, compared to vast majority of school that enroll anyone living in the catchment. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:24 PM Flag
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I think you need to check today's numbers. Lab is better at math. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 07:12 PM Flag
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np: She said "overall" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 06:50 AM Flag
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sssshhhhh! Don't ask uncomfortable questions! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:28 PM Flag
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Nest uses Singapore Math curriculum that is NOT accelerated. By middle school they have much better math scores than Anderson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:38 PM Flag
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percent of 4's in 7th grade: Nest 95, A 65; in 8th: Nest 90, A 70. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:42 PM Flag
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But most of those kids come in at 6th grade, right? So they weren't brought up doing Singapore math [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:44 PM Flag
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How do those scores compare to other selective MSs? Upper Lab? Delta? Mark Twain? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:59 PM Flag
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I also want to point out that every mom and dad I've spoken to with children at NEST have told me that they're pretty sure their kids wouldn't have gotten in under the new system [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:43 PM Flag
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of course not. Especially last year. After what happened the year before NEST probably went down the list quite a bit in order to fill the class rooms. (and maybe begged some) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:48 PM Flag
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What a dumb thing to say. DC got into NEST last year for Kindergarten. There were plenty of people on the waitlist who never got in. Last year they invited the top 250 scoring kids to come in for an onsite assessment. Out of those kids they picked 125. Believe me, everyone showed up for their onsite. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:56 PM Flag
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We did and my very bright DC (since accepted at a TT SS school) didn't get in! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 02:01 PM Flag
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That's not the point. Learning math in a certain way for years has more to do with math scores than miniscule differences in IQ. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:48 PM Flag
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But again, many of the kids were probably raised on TERC or Everyday and came to NEST in 6th [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:55 PM Flag
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Still, this is impressive. Singapore Math is not aligned with the state tests, yet produces the highest scores. Even better than more selective school like Anderson. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 02:03 PM Flag
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I'm taking this to mean that NEST's math curriculum is superior in that it can make a "regular" kid do well on the State test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:49 PM Flag
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I doubt that is what she means, probably high IQ combined with great math program - which is true [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 01:51 PM Flag
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Nest preps their kids in middle school for the state tests. Anderson doesn't do that. Also, Anderson kids in 7th grade are taking 9th grade Integrated Algebra - more important to get them ready for the Regents than silly state tests for work they did the prior year (or two) that have no bearing on their academic records. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:25 PM Flag
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The Regents is a state test and not such a good one either [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:29 PM Flag
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Maybe, but it's more important to ace that one for good HS placement (so student doesn't have to repeat classes) than concentrate on state tests that don't have a personal impact on the student. I think it's generous of the school to focus on what will help the student, rather than what will be used by outsiders to critique the school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 06:44 AM Flag
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Here's my own theory: since the drop happens from 6th to 7th grade, I think it's because the top Anderson students go to Hunter for 7th grade. I know there are many Anderson students who enter Hunter then; I'm not sure how many NEST students leave for H. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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But EDM is only taught at Anderson through 4th grade. In 5th grade Anderson switches to very traditional math from Prenticehall texts. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 07:11 AM Flag
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Did you mispost, by any chance? The post above yours is about the fact that Anderson has a certain number of kids leaving after 6th grade for Hunter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 07:38 AM Flag
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I don't know much yet about the Everyday Math that Anderson teaches. But I do know there are different philosophies on how best to teach math. Measuring performance at 1 step along the way can only give you a snapshot in time, and the testing might favor one version of math teaching over another. As a new A parent, I guess I'm reserving judgment on this issue and would like to understand better what the philosophy is behind their math curriculum, before jumping to the conclusion that test scores necessarily mean there is something wrong with their approach. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 06:48 AM Flag
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I like you! Hope to meet you at A orientation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 07:12 AM Flag
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I'll be there tomorrow! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 07:13 AM Flag
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Because if you take a naturally bright dc and put it in a school with poor teachers and poor curriculum that dc will only ever get a mediocre education regardless of how intelligent he or she might be [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.24.08, 06:54 AM Flag
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