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06.23.08, 08:06 AM NY Schools
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Brian Lehrer on NPR/WNYC is about to cover G&T debacle......93.9 [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 06.23.08, 08:06 AM Flag
 

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what debacle? you NYers are seriously histrionic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 08:26 AM Flag
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You are obviously not a NYer. Or your kid was not involved. It was truly a debacle especially considering how much we pay in property taxes to live here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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NP: Property taxes? Much less here than in the burbs [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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I'm sure she means city taxes, which are $$$ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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Please. Every kid who scored above the cut-off got a seat. The attempt to make it more diverse failed because just making the testing more accessible is not enough. It takes much more beyond schools and the DOE to fix that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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No they didn't. A lot of kids in the lower 90s didn't get a seat and they listed all possible choices on their applications. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 10:42 AM Flag
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"a lot of kids"? What districts would that be? Are you talking about the districts that historically have been G&T for 1st grade and up only? Or the districts that did not have enough (interested) children to create even one program? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 11:28 AM Flag
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I'm a NYer - what debacle? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 10:40 AM Flag
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Sure, it was a debacle. The whole point was to make G&Ts more diverse, but in the end, kids in underpriveleged districts lost seats (and some lost entire programs) while even more kids in whiter, wealthier districts that have good zoned options (eg D2 & D3) gained seats (though for some UBers, not necessarily in the programs they would prefer). That' [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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^^ that's the debacle that was discussed on the show (not how unhappy the typical UB parent is). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:25 AM Flag
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NP: I'm in District 6. Our G&T programs were cut in half. We went from 4 programs to 2 programs for the entire District. Only 1 of those 2 programs is even worth considering over a decent gen ed school (which there is only 1 of up here). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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that's because less children qualified. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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Fewer children, you mean. Yes, I understand the reasons. But the larger perspective, it's a direct transfer of resources out of a District that has too many overcrowded and underperforming schools. All because the entry standards favor children from UMC families with access to high quality daycare & preschool. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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and that is by default the definition of a gifted/talented child. How to address this so that every child in our society has the same opportunity cannot be solved by any test or elementary school program of what not. It needs outreach beyond what the DOE can do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:36 AM Flag
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Sorry, but equalizing access was exactly one of the pledges we heard from Joel Klein about revamping the G&T program. Have you not been paying attention? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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And you took him by his word when he said this? When I heard this the first time I laughed it off and said "Yeah, right!" and ignored it. It's just another politician talking out of his behind. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:58 AM Flag
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Because the attempt to make it diverse AND a real G&T (i.e. based on scores) does not really go together. If you want to make a G&T more diverse you have to start somewhere else (like improve poor families' lives, etc. etc.) That said, I think the goal of turning the G&T program into a real one succeeded. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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What is your definition of a "real G&T"? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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kids of the same intellectual level. How to achieve this is debatable but it must involve some kind of testing with a cut-off and maybe something like onsites or other ways of evaluation. Maybe Hunter got it right but you cannot do anything like this for an entire school system. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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I think testing 4 yr olds using a standardized test with a format like the OLSAT is absurd though. The city should invest this money into improving early elementary school for kids in all neighborhoods, and THEN test for 3rd/4th grade entry [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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You will find research that will agree with you and research that will disagree. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:55 AM Flag
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It's ironic. ACORN, which is a minority parents' group, agitated for the G&T/lottery changes. They wanted everything, across the board, the same for all kids. No onsites or admissions through applications to each school. And it backfired. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:41 AM Flag
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Well, I think there was a lot of "behind the scenes" haggling and squeaky wheel stuff that went on, especially in District 3, that made a lot of people uncomfortable. Wasn't that what they were complaining about? To the extent that the new rules put an end to that sort of thing, I think it's an important improvement. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:43 AM Flag
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I'm at work. Can you please post the highlights? Thanks! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 08:28 AM Flag
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you can download/listen online, there will be a link from his website @ wnyc.org. Usually posted within a few hours. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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