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06.21.08, 11:00 AM New York City
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what does "TT" stand for when people are talking about private? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 06.21.08, 11:00 AM Flag
 

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Top tier. The best of the best. Cream of the crop. On UB, that's 7 schools: Dalton, Trinity, Horace Mann (coed); Collegiate (boys); Brearley, Chapin, Spence (girls) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:03 AM Flag
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Actually, IRL, this 7 TT holds true... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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>and St Bernards, Nightingale and St Anns are very close to making it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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Not St Bernards since it's a K-8 or 9 and the top tiers are only K-12s. I'll give you NBS and St Ann's and also Fieldston. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:16 AM Flag
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I know, but I think St B is more academically strong than ECFS from K-8. I think ECFS in HS is strong contender but not the lower school. Everyone complains their kids are sort of "parked" there and dont' learn anything in LS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:26 AM Flag
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But there's really no way of comparing schools except for SAT & college exmissions and that's why the TT schools are traditionally the K-12s. It's your opinion that St B is academically stronger but there's no real basis. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:27 AM Flag
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I know, but it's just that even the parents of ECFS complain about how their kids don't learn anything until they get to HS... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:29 AM Flag
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But I'm sure it's just the ones you know and in no way is it every single EC or FL parent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:00 PM Flag
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NP: I'm a FL parent and I think that the "academic learning" at ECFS looks different in the lower grades -- and that works for some DC (including mine) and not for others. Requires a particular combination of strengths -- self-motivation, creative thinking, productivity. I have a younger DD and I'm not sure that she is suited for FL (but I have time to worry about that) -- but it's very much the right place for DS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:18 PM Flag
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Most of the kids at Fieldston have come from EC or Lower. If they are able to do the work at Fieldston, they did learn a lot in the early grades. They may not have learned as much content as a some other schools, but they have clearly learned about intellectual inquiry, study skills, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:21 PM Flag
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NOT! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.08, 08:07 PM Flag
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is hunter tt? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 11:41 AM Flag
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Hunter should be TT, as should Regis and Stuyvesant (which are high school only). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:00 PM Flag
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Maybe Regis, but the other two no. They are public schools - TT public schools - yes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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If you go with SAT and college exmissions, all 3 schools are up there with the TT private schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:12 PM Flag
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I can't comment on SAT scores. Where are you getting that data? But for college exmissions you're wrong. They have very good exmissions, but they're not on the same level as the TT ongoings. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 12:58 PM Flag
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I'm getting the stats from petersons website for Regis and private schools and from the DOE site for Stuy and a site which cited on UB last year for Hunter. Petersons does not list the SATs for all schools - no Collegiate, HM, Trinity, Chapin. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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^^^But among those listed, the order for verbal & math (no writing) goes: Hunter (1436), Brearley (1416), Regis (1406), Stuy (1401), Dalton (1368), Fieldston (1360), Spence (1355), NBS (1330). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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^^^As for college exmissions, Hunter HS has always been listed as the top public school in the country and in some lists, it ranks among the private schools. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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^^^And because of its huge class of 800 kids, Stuy could not really rank that high if you go by percentages. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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Top public school, yes. But its exmissions are on par with 2nd-3rd tier privates, not TT as you initially claimed. Same with Regis and Stuy. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:50 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.21.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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^^^And once again, do you know how hard it is for a school of Stuy's size to be ranked that high? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.21.08, 07:07 PM Flag
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But unlike the TTs, Stuy does not pick their kids until they are 14, based on tests not dissimilar to SATs, so you could say they just pick the brightest kids, not necessarily that the teaching there is all that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:42 AM Flag
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You are right of course, though there is something to be said about being in classes with all high-achieving kids. The TT schools though also accept top-scoring kids for their Upper School and thus skew the SAT/exmissions stats. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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I love you people who continue to deny reality in the face of REAL statistics. No 2nd or 3rd tier pvt has SAT scores anywhere near Hunter, Stuy, or even Bx Sci. Please call up these 2nd and 3rd's and ask them when it was that they placed a kid at Yale, Harvard, Princeton, MIT or Stanford last. For the 2nd's it is once in a blue moon and for the 3rds almost never. While Hunter (with a small class) places in all 5 every year as does Stuy and Bx Sci (with larger classes). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:23 AM Flag
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This is such a load of crap. Every 'second tier' school sends kids to HYP and other Ivies every year. Not as many as 'TT' school but several every year. And Hunter class is not small compared to privates, it is about the same size as HM which is among the biggest privates. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 06:41 AM Flag
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I am confused with all this b/c no one "names names" besides the top ones. Are BWL, Dwight, UNIS, Calhoun, Columbia 2nd tier, 3rd tier or what??? What are the 2nd tier ones? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 08:31 AM Flag
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CSH, NBS, Fieldston, Riverdale, Friends [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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Lots of 2nd Tier schools get kids in to HYP. For example, Friends placed kids there this year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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All you need to do is look at placement lists to see that even the "third" tier place at least a few dc at those schools every year [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:42 AM Flag
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np: and not too versed on this (my kids are elem.) Is it not fair to counter that with the college alumnus status for the parents at so many of the TTs any comparison on exmissions to a public school is going to be inconclusive, anyway? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 09:49 AM Flag
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Exactly. Plus the fact that a public school student may be more apt to accept a CUNY Honors Program spot (highly competitive + free) that a private school student would turn down in favor of an out-of-state private college spot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.23.08, 05:38 PM Flag
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