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06.20.08, 07:47 AM NY Schools
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Do you think more families will apply to privates bec of DOE mess this year? Even the families who never thought of applying to privates might bec now they know 1) 200-300 kids getting 99 and taking all non-sib spots at A/NEST/and other top G&Ts? I heard Dalton got 1000 kids apply last fall. The year before that, 700 kids applied to D. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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What mess? The pre-K admission was a mess, yes. The G&T admission was very straight forward. What was messy about it? Every kid that scored 90 and above was able to get a seat in a G&T program. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:49 AM Flag
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PREk was a mess. But even for Kindergarten, they had to lower the bar to 90 (which screws non sibs) and they kept missing the deadlines. A popular G&T like PS9 decided to offer only 1 class (after lowering the bar to 90, it was a blow to UWS non sibs who got over 95). A copy of BSRA was available online which many families got a hold of which many families took advantage of (cheating). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:55 AM Flag
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>and there were other small stuff DOE didn't have a firm policy about. A lot of confusion and speculation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:56 AM Flag
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Wow, your threshold for something to become a mess is rather low. Considering the amount of children that went through this I thought it turned out to be rather smooth. Setting cut-off scores is an arbitrary thing. 95 or 90, it doesn't matter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 07:59 AM Flag
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Whatever. If you didn't know to be home to get a G&T letter hand delivered and was out on vacation, you would have missed the deadline to notify acceptance. Anyway, you just have a bone to pick with me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:04 AM Flag
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no. I just don't understand how it was a mess. Again, the preK admission was a mess. But G&T? It was smooth and straight forward. The DOE even followed up with folks who did not reply on time etc. etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:06 AM Flag
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Well, I think it's that not even all 99ers got their top 3 choices. If you have 95/96, you might get a G&T that is on the bottom of your list and many families might apply to privates in case. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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okay, but that is not the DOE's fault. It was just a highly competitive year. The seats were assigned fair and square. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:13 AM Flag
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DOE first said G&T curriculum will be accelerated (even district ones), but the school principals said no. They all say there is no diff bet G&T and gen ed. Then, what's the point? Anyway, DOE is not sending a strong signal to principals and now that cutoff is lowered, they won't accelerate for sure. Acceleration, imo, is the only justification for G&T and it was a major consideration for me. I would not have applied to G&T had I known it wasn't going to be accelerated like DOE said they would. They published a paper on this topic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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where can you read about that? the paper on the g & t curriculum? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:23 AM Flag
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I read it on DOE website before but I'm sure they must have taken it down now that they lowered cutoff to 90 and they can't keep the paper that says why kids over 95% NEED a specialized, accelerated curriculum bec of the research that supports this, etc. I can't imagine they'd still have it. It was a powerpoint document. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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np; You may want to move to another country where every school, G&T or not, is much more accelerated in math and science than it is here in the USA. LOL [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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I don't know why we don't value math and science. Give it 50 yrs and our country will be seriously in trouble. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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We rely on our immigrants from Asia and Eastern Europe to provide the kids who excel in math and science. Look at Stuy and Hunter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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lol, isn't that the truth? Someone should seriously research why that is. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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It's not cool. As easy as that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 09:15 AM Flag
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the magic word is immigrants... look at the 2nd and 3rd gen of them. they seem to lose the touch of it. could that be the us school system lacks of proper challenge? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 10:18 AM Flag
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Nope, it's the easier life that makes you lose the drive. The next generation is better off and therefore does not have to work as hard. Which is good and bad, for different reasons. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 12:28 PM Flag
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I think math and reading is way overvalued in our school system. It needs to be balanced with social sciences, music, art, physical sciences, etc. etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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np. You think math is overvalued in the US school system? Are you high?? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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The point is that the peer group is academically strong. While the curriculum may not be accelerated it could go deeper. Don't you think it makes a difference for your child to sit in a class room where everybody is more or less on the same intellectual level? No need to teach to the weakest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:30 AM Flag
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ITA, the evenness of group's intellectual level is why I send my dc to the G&T program. In that environment children will be adequately challenged, the teacher is just the guiding light. If the group can absorb more, I am sure the teacher will provide it appropriately. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:44 AM Flag
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Other than Hunter and Anderson, I've never heard of acceleration at a public elementary school. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 09:01 AM Flag
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I'm getting turned off by the DOE. I'm zoned for a good public but who know what the DOE might do to mess it up. I'm likely to apply to privates for my dc next year. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:11 AM Flag
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see ya. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:12 AM Flag
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In Brooklyn, the baby boom means you can't get a variance like you used, too, and so on. I think will be mass exodus to NJ [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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that would be nice! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 01:14 PM Flag
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I think it will work both ways. Many people who prefer public will apply to privates because of the DOE mess, and many people who prefer private will also apply to hunter and G&Ts because of the large number of shutouts in the private system. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 08:43 AM Flag
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Nope. Everyone who can even remotely apply is already doing so. It's not like there were less spots this year than last, it's been very competitive for a while. And there are no more spots in privates either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.20.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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