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06.18.08, 12:45 PM General Topics
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dh and i were talking about same-sex marriage and i said its not of the govt's business to say who is ok to get married and who is not. Societal norms have changed (ie. inter-racial marriages were illegal at one point). I also stated that assuming wives were consenting and legal age, that polygamy should be legal also. I mean, why is a same sex marriage ok, but having more then one wife or husband is not. He then asked if I believe incestuous marriages should be legal if both were consenting adults (and assuming the relationship started as adults). I was stumped-maybe that is a societal abnormality that i am not ready to change to mainstream. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.18.08, 12:45 PM Flag
 

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thanks for the update [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:47 PM Flag
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PLEASE do not put my gay marriage in that mess! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:48 PM Flag
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why not? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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not really interested. I mean how many people will actually want to do this? There are more important policy issues that affect all of us. We need to increase energy supply, develop alternatives, drill ANWAR, build nuclear power plants. These things are impacting us all on a daily basis. I want congress engaged in these issues, not steroids in sports or gay marriage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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Steroids in sports and gay marriage are not exactly on the same level. One is a huge civil rights issue. Just because it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it should be ignored. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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Read the question. She didn't ask about gay marriage. She asked about legalized incestual marriage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:53 PM Flag
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I was responding to the OR who compared steroids in sport and gay marriage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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i agree with you and i put the blame for this solely on the gay groups. they are pushing very hard for this and it's taking a lot of attention away from real and serious issues. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:57 PM Flag
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the "gay groups"? OY. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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I'm in favor of gay civil unions, but I just can't bring myself to give a shit for the most part. Meanwhile, Rome is burning, and we're worried about these sorts of dipshit issues. To me the right-wing is much more to blame as the "gay groups"! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:04 PM Flag
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It's not a dipshit issue if you are the one who can't marry the one you love and get the same benefits as a opp sex couples. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:09 PM Flag
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why do so many people insist on lumping gay marriage with polygamy, incest, marrying a lampshade, a dog, etc...? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:50 PM Flag
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well i mean the incest makes sense [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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I don't think it is the right thing to do, but I think that people tend to do so when discussing marriage because the very nature of the conversation is what is marriage, what are its boundaries, who does it apply to, at some point the law does get involved (marriage to minors, marriage to relatves) and people are trying to parce out where that line is and should be. Not that hard to understand. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:55 PM Flag
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I still think it usually boils down to a comparison of sexual deviants vs "straight" people. And maybe it isn't fair to lump polygamy in there either. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:06 PM Flag
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by the way, there are a number of very practical economic policies why polygamy is illegal including how unlikely it is for a single man to be able to support that many children. In fact, in the town that was recently "raided" the average woman there uses over 700 per month in food stamps. In law school, you learn to always think about the economic implications of laws. They don't want to encourage people to have 25 children they can't support and saying that you can marry many women essentially endorses this pracitce [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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yes -- and the point being that because the women aren't "married" to the man, they qualify for the food stamps. If they were married they likely would not = children living in poverty. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:53 PM Flag
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oh and thats a great reason to deny someone the right to have more then one spouse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:54 PM Flag
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You're kidding, right? Almost all family law policy can be traced to econimic cnsideration of children: namely that they don't end up living in poverty and secondarily, that the government doesn't end up paying for their life if it doesn't have to. IT is a fact. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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china [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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? (You're not as clever as you think you are. to anyone with a sophomoric understanding of China, this could mean any number of things.) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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why not limit the amount of children you can have? or base how many children you have on your income? why are you singeling out a polygmous(sp?)marriage? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:58 PM Flag
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This is why. The Supreme Court has never recognized a constitutional right to marriage. Same is not true for the right to procreate. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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person has no "right" to marry anyone. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:02 PM Flag
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then shouldn't it follow that no one has the limitation NOT to marry someone? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:11 PM Flag
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that's a pretty archaic viewpoint. the problem there was that there was no source of income...women weren't working. if i choose to have two husbands or my husband decides to have two wives (or we together decide to add a third spouse), there's no reason why we all can't work. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:59 PM Flag
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That's fine. But the reality of lawmaking is that law, especially when it deals with children's welfare, must cater to the lowest common denominator. The reality is that polygamy tends to occur in communities that are fundamentalist and where women do not work. Law has to recognize and respond to reality. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:01 PM Flag
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i think marriage is man/woman. i think if you are going to change the law then either abolish the idea of marriage completely. or allow any consenting adults (incuding incest and polygamy). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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i think i am with you. i cannot think of why you would say that same-sex is ok, but other consenting adults are not ok. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:00 PM Flag
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yeah. and the funny thing is that they don't even see their own double standard. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 01:01 PM Flag
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Idiots. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 02:12 PM Flag
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Double standard? Hardly. Sounds like you're talking about legislation around sex, which has (as we all know) very little to do with marriage. Marriage exists in order to promote a stable community. In other words, the only reason government is involved in the personal lives of people is because those personal lives affect the state. For instance: married people are more likely to stay together, to raise children together, to form a stable unit that promotes the interests of the community. That could be a gay one or a straight one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 05:14 PM Flag
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Who is asking that incest be made legal??? The point here is that so many couples are demanding that their unions be validated and legalized. Why do we need to go into the incest question to move forward on gay marriage? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 05:20 PM Flag
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