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06.17.08, 10:48 AM NY Schools
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Does anyone have any idea which shapes (besides the obvious) were on the Bracken test? [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
NY Schools 06.17.08, 10:48 AM Flag
 

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My kid did really bad on that subtest. I kind of wonder, too, because she pretty much aced all the other subtests. I put a request to review the test in but have not heard back from anybody. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:50 AM Flag
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same here. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:55 AM Flag
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tritto - wish I would have prepped [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:25 AM Flag
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I believe pyramid, cylinder, octagon, hexagon, pentagon, cube, sphere, but not positive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:51 AM Flag
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np: How can this be an indicator of intelligence for a 4yo? If a child has never been shown those shapes before, he cannot know what they are - even if he is a genius. So much would depend on exposure and parenting. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:56 AM Flag
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ITA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:57 AM Flag
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its a school readiness test. its the test they use for g&t. That's all. It is what it is and you don't have to take it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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I am just reacting to how it is used to determine a very important path for children, especially ones that will otherwise be left in a bad school with no support. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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The path (elementary school g&t) is not as important as it seems to you at this moment in time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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I don't think it's important for any of the children whose mothers post here. Might be VERY important for a kid in East New York. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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The BRSA has nothing to do with intelligence. It's more a knowledge test. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:00 AM Flag
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Right. So why is it used as the only criteria (if I understand correctly) for the G&T program? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:02 AM Flag
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np--it's not the only criteria. it was worth 25%; the olsat was 75%. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:04 AM Flag
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Ah. Thank you for clearing that up (we didn't do any of this). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:06 AM Flag
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lucky you! the whole thing is ridiculous. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:07 AM Flag
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that isn't waht they based the "giftedness" on the OLSAT was the gifted indicator. The Bracken was only 25% of the test [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:08 AM Flag
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np. The BSRA is not an intelligence test; no one from the DOE or its publisher ever claimed it was. It's a school readiness assessment. The OLSAT is the component that tests cognition. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:45 PM Flag
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Which shows that it is a test of whether your parents have taught you this stuff, rather than a test of intelligence! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:59 AM Flag
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cylinder, sphere for a 4yo? what kind of school readiness is that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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seriously. mine would look at a sphere and respond "ball". [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:05 AM Flag
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lol--not at the kindergarten level. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:01 AM Flag
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my dd bombed shapes on bracken but did great on olsat and got 97 on bracken otherwise. i feel so bad not prepping her, she would have got a 99 otherwise and would have ended up in A. Oh well :-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:00 AM Flag
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my son got all but 1 right on the shapes section. he knows what an octagon is, but i don't think he would ever say "cylinder or sphere". so i don't think that was on the test. i could be wrong, but i have never heard him say sphere [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:22 AM Flag
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I think it's more like showing 3 pics and asking which one is the sphere. He may be able to do it by process of elimination [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:41 AM Flag
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fyi, i'm betting they'll drop the bracken next year because 1) everyone now knows what's on it and 2) it was meant to help disadvantaged dcs and i doubt very much it did [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:36 AM Flag
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To the contrary, next year every public school student will be given the Bracken to help identify deficiencies. Not sure if they'll include it in G&T, but they'll need some other component besides OLSAT and everything else is too subjective [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:38 AM Flag
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i'm talking about g&t (which is the context of this thread). now that every ub'er knows to teach their dc what a hexagon is, the whole notion of it helping disadvantaged dcs is a bit moot. i'll bet you ten dollars it's not part of the g&t testing next year. they really don't need anything besides the olsat. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:42 AM Flag
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Wasn't the original plan that the BRSA is given first to identify deficiencies? If the kid passes the BRSA he would haven given the OLSAT for G&T placement. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:02 PM Flag
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sorry. English no good. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:03 PM Flag
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Why do they need some component other than the OLSAT? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:58 PM Flag
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Before the Bracken (that means last year) the preschool teachers were supposed to evaluate your kids' "academic achievement" through a few essay questions. I guess the BRSA is supposed to replace this. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 02:11 PM Flag
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