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06.17.08, 08:05 AM New York City
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Why good zoned school near your home (eg, 199, 87is better than a mediocre G&T (eg, 166, 163): 1) Much better social life (playdates); 2) easier commute/more sleep every night; 3) Racial tensions at "ghetto" G&Ts, black DCs, rightly, hate that white DCs get all the resources; 4) Holding Racial/Socio-economics constant, the likelihood that your DC will score "4" and go to Delta/Anderson for MS is the same [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 06.17.08, 08:05 AM Flag
 

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That is your opinion. Others disagree. We chose 166 over 87. Difference in commute is negligible. If we find that it has racial tensions etc. we will re-evaluate but the zoned school will always be there as a backup if we need it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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May I ask why? I see in your case the social aspect is not a big deal [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:10 AM Flag
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had to step away: 1)Has friends attending from preschool 2) Somewhat worried about inclusion classes at 87 3)7 kindergarten classes seems like a lot at 87 4)Like that classes are enriched and taught at faster pace 5) Really like the class offerings in afterschool program (more sports than at 87 from what I see on the web sites)6) We both work so "playdates" are through afterschool or on weekends [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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1) The kid doesn't care if her friends are close to her home or somewhere else. 2) How many minutes does it really add to your commute? 15 minutes? 30 minutes? 3) You are overly dramatic. You are blowing this out of proportion. 4) Ok. So you pick your school and let others pick theirs. Why the need to comment? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:13 AM Flag
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The DC doesn't care but the parent/caregiver who would have to arrange to bring and take the DC back cares. BTDT Most DCs don't have more than 2 hours for a playdate after school anyway, if 1 hour is schlepping it makes a big difference - [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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Okay, I do not live on the UWS but you cannot tell me that D3 is so huge that the commute is going to be an hour or more. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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np - Of course it's not. I have no idea what the above poster is talking about. From 116th St to 72nd St is around 20 mins, if not less, by subway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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btdt, dd has been in magnet school since kinder and is not in 9th, I believe it has affected her circle of friends, because it is very hard to get together...and it only gets harder when parents aren't involved in taking and picking up [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:23 AM Flag
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^^^is NOW in 9th [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:29 AM Flag
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Magnet school? Are you in NYC? Do you live on the UWS? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:39 AM Flag
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yes, in nyc. that's probably not the right word. it was not a zoned school. there were kids from all 5 boroughs...and her middle school and high school are the same [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:49 AM Flag
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But we're talking about D3 G&T - all schools are on the UWS. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:54 AM Flag
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so what you're saying is, although they may not be neighborhood schools, they're not that far away? fair enough [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:57 AM Flag
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No. The district isn't that large, not like D2. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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no child left behind really starts screwing up smart kids at around 2nd grade, and the entire school cares only about 2 scores - math and reading. peer group is very important, and a commute usually is not such a big deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:15 AM Flag
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but NCLB screws up DCs at G&Ts too - right? Are you making an argument against publics in general? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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it's less likely to have underperforming kid in G&T, plus they can loose a spot at G&t if they fall behind, or have low attendance rates [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:27 AM Flag
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I have never in my many years w/dc at PS9 G&T seen a child lose a spot - the kids who fall behind stay in the program - some get tutoring to keep up. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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if they don't attend they get dropped out, that happened at ps 116. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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and the mother of the child says there is a HUGE difference between g&t and reg class there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:04 AM Flag
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there isn't. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:16 AM Flag
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how do you know? i know for sure since i personally talked to this mom. you have no clue since you seem to be sure only about ps9. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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you are confusing your posters. My chid is at 116. One mom does not the truth make. The curriculum is the same for g&t and general ed. 116 has NO problem with xfer students under nclb - that is utter nonesene. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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Another PS116 mom here. ITA there is no difference. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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gen ed ps116? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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I am not above poster, but I happen to have one in each. It is ALL teacher dependent. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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Of course, but in PS116, I have friends in gen ed who have had better experiences than my dc in G&T. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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both [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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The poster is fos and my guess is doesn't even have children. She's the crazy nclb poster [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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Have not found what you say re NCLB, or what you say about scores, to be true at all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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my dc's private pre-k teacher, who used to be a public school teacher, told me that. that is not a secret even. schools are ranked on attendence, reading and writing. if you want us to give up g&t place so you can retest your kid - a nice try [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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Soory, but my dcs are in 5th and 8th grades. Never drank the GT kool-aid, and good schools -- like our elementary -- make school rankings take a back seat to giving kids a good education. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:37 AM Flag
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so you are not in g&t - sorry. you can say whatever you want to make you feel better [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:38 AM Flag
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no apologies necessary. dcs both tested into G&T - we chose not to send them. now entering selective MS and HS. enjoy your narrow little world. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:47 AM Flag
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thanks [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:48 AM Flag
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lol...np: not every WANTS to be in g&t [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:54 AM Flag
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right, not everyone wants to be tall and thin also [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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you're ridiculous. it is possible that not everyone thinks the way that you do. you do know that, right? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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OMG, its the crazy nclb poster. Where have you been? I thought the new format might have made you quit. Darn. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:55 AM Flag
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nope, or here, i am new and just posted about nclb for the first or second time. but you seem quite crazy with your over-reaction. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:58 AM Flag
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lol! i was just thinking the same thing! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:43 AM Flag
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I've asked you this every time you post about nclb and you have yet to answer. Please tell us the school your child attends that has taken so many children from failing schools (under nclb). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:56 AM Flag
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i posted about nclb only a couple of times, so it's not me. but i know for sure that at ps 116 there is a huge difference btw g&t and reg class, and reg class is supposed to be great there. we have tons of friends there both and g&t and reg classes. i am not sure it answers your question about failing schools though [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:02 AM Flag
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you said nothing about nclb in your answer. You are the one who brought up the fact that it was harmful. How many children are at 116 under NCLB or are you just talking out of your bottom? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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right, out "my bottom" - very classy indeed. I see why you are happy in your gen ed class. I don't think you can even tell the difference, so stay put. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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np - Once again you didn't answer the question. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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She (or he) Never does. But its always fun to call her on it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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Is your child currently attending 116? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:14 AM Flag
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and where does your child go? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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PS41 why? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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I answered your question, now will you please answer mine. Does your child attend 116? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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Yes, but I have 2 dc there in G&T and gen ed, and there is really not much of a difference. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:30 AM Flag
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see above - she has no idea. her dc is in private pre-school and these pearls of wisdom came from pre-school teacher. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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it's not me in a private pre-k [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:05 AM Flag
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so if you are not that poster then where does your dc go that gets all the NCLB kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:10 AM Flag
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gosh, i don't think i like you. but i dont' think you can even know the difference since your kids are in gen ed school and you are happy. so stay happy in a gen ed, but don't make us feel bad that we want to have a better education for our smart kids. EVERYBODY knows that gen ed is not so good for smart kids, it's ridiculous you are so adamant about it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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Just so you know, there are two different people who asked you the same question. I can tell because I asked above and mine is highlighted and the other isn't. And, you still haven't answered. Who cares if you like OR or not, just answer the question [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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np - You didn't answer about where you get your "knowledge" about NCLB kids. Where does your dc go to school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:20 AM Flag
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She posts constantly and has never answered. But, at least we all know the deal. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:22 AM Flag
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where does yours go? and where do you get your knowledge? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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You have this annoying habit on not answering a simple question. Why is that? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:28 AM Flag
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What are you babbling about. Simple question - what school does your child attend and how many children are there on NCLB? Do you even know what NCLB is? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:21 AM Flag
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lol - unless you are talking about profoundly gifted kids, this "everybody knows" blanket statement is asinine. "Better education" depends on particular school, particular teachers, particular kids. In some cases G&T may be better, in some cases gen ed. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:56 AM Flag
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ITA. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:23 AM Flag
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In our house, rightly and hate don't belong in the same sentence. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:52 AM Flag
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playdates are overated. The children spend seven hours, five days a week together. They have homework. They can get together quickly after school at local playground or see each other on weekends. Its not preschool anymore. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:54 AM Flag
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exactly. I do not see how play dates are really going to happen during the week. Even at my kid's preschool (full-day program) there is no desire for those kids to go to each other's homes after school. They see each other for so many hours already. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:59 AM Flag
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kids still want to get together, whether you call it a playdate or not. and as they get older, they want to spend more and more time together, meaning a longer amount of time [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:00 AM Flag
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and they have more and more homework and it just doesn't happen. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:11 AM Flag
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I have teens and I'm telling you it does. geez [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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funny. we are talking about elementary schools here. Teenagers is an entirely different thing and it is not YOU who has to schlepp the kids from one place to the other. They are on their own and do whatever they want to do. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:19 AM Flag
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you didn't have any friends as a teen that you knew from elementary school? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:27 AM Flag
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no. Only the ones that came along with me to the same school. Except for one good friend (who I slowly lost touch with, though) I did not carry over a lot of people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 01:59 PM Flag
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oh for crying out loud. Teens don't have g&t. We are talking about elementary [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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I'm not talking about g&t. I'm talking about friends, which you theoretically keep from primary school IF they are in your neighborhood. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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This post is about goint to a g&t and not your zoned school. That applys only to elementary. Middle schools don't have g&t programs. Come on. Just give. you know you are wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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But there are selective MS vs zoned MS... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:35 AM Flag
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Exactly - so your arugument while not releveant to elementary and g&t and playdates also makes no sense for middle school either. The children split up and scatter [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:47 AM Flag
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but if they have friends in the nabe, presumably from attending their zoned school, they will most likely keep those friends through middle and high school no matter where they go. and that is a good thing [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:02 AM Flag
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you're missing my point, which is that it's easier to stay friends with someone in the nabe even if you end up at different schools in later years than it is to stay friends with someone who lives in another boro AND you no longer go to school with [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:42 AM Flag
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np - So what's your point here exactly? ITA that teens get together with their friends but of course, it matters less at that age where the friends live. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:32 AM Flag
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I'm just speaking from experience. we sent dd out of neighborhood, so now all her friends live in Brooklyn and the Bronx and it limits her socializing. I know this post is about elementary school; I'm just saying the friends you make in elem school are often friends for life, but only usually if they're in the neighborhood [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:38 AM Flag
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And I disagree that elementary school friends matter. For me personally, it was HS & college friends (and I lived in the same small town my whole life). And I see my MS dc moving away from his elementary school friends (at the same MS). So IMO it doesn't really matter. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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oh good! now I don't feel guilty about my decision to send dd to an out-of-nabe school. ;-) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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yes, of course. They will do homework together, go out at night. That is all cool and only really relevant when they are a little older. Definitely NOT in Kindergarten. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:18 AM Flag
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right. but I was looking at it from the point of view that if you're in a neighborhood school in primary school, your friends live in the neighborhood. when you get older you make new friends but keep the old, so you still have friends nearby. but as someone pointed out, D3 is so small it's not really an issue. this is a perfect example why UB would be so much better if you could only post to one board. I'm not on NY Schools, but I am on New York City. I responded to a post that seemed relevant to my experience but turns out really isn't [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:24 AM Flag
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But you are assuming that the children go to a nabe middle school. They don't. They go to specialized schools all over the place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:37 AM Flag
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I know. but the neighborhood friends are still in the neighborhood, so it's easy to maintain a connection even if you are at different middle schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:40 AM Flag
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np - Not really. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:51 AM Flag
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ok [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:04 AM Flag
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my experience is that school friends trump neighborhood friends by far. I don't think it matters if you have friends in the neighborhood where you live or somewhere else. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:10 AM Flag
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I sit corrected. My only experience has been with having sent dd out of nabe for school, and now that she's older, it seems really hard for her and her friends to get together because they live so far apart. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 10:16 AM Flag
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I wonder what the % of 166 G&T kids going to Delta is compared to the % of 87 or 199 kids? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:23 AM Flag
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and why are the g & t's at 166 and 163 mediocre? i know a bunch of kids (older than my dc) that went to 163 and did great, loved it - got into good middle schools [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:26 AM Flag
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ITA at both 166 and 163. I think OP considers them "ghetto" schools FWIW. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:29 AM Flag
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what does ITA and FWIW mean? ( sorry) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:33 AM Flag
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"I totally agree", "for what it's worth" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:34 AM Flag
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I'm smothering under all the blankets. Not all G&Ts are equal. Not all Gen Eds are equal. Not all kids have the same needs. Some Gen Eds might just be better for some high-scoring kids than the G&T they were assigned to. That's all. It's a matter of individual needs and meeting them. G&T isn't always better academically, Gen Ed isn't always better socially. Blanket statements are made by idiots. And boy are there a lot of them here today. It’s OK to feel good about your own choice without insisting it is the best one for everyone else too. Move on with your own life and realize that your choice isn't the only choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 11:32 AM Flag
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