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06.17.08, 05:45 AM General Topics
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How come LL scores are not any better than some good GenEds like PS234. Isn't LL just a way for the white families in the 'hood to stay in public since their zoned school (PS198) sucks?? Let's call it what it is, just a segregation schoom 54 years after "Brown vs. Board of Ed." [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.17.08, 05:45 AM Flag
 

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where are you seeing the scores? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 05:47 AM Flag
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LL scores are definitely better than 234, esp. the 4th grade scores. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:00 AM Flag
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np - and btw LL is much more diverse than 234 [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:00 AM Flag
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ive heard great things about LL and is also tough to get into [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:04 AM Flag
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When you look at LL scores, you have to be careful for a couple of reasons. There is a self contained special ed class at LL which has nothing to do with the g&t program but the scores are often combined AND, LL is such a small school that if ONE child is sick or having a bad test day - it affects the overall percentage much more than in a larger general ed school. LL has great scores, is a great school and a nice option for many. Many district 2 general eds are the same. Choice. It's a good thing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:11 AM Flag
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there is a self contained class at LL for the upper grades. a neighbor of mine visited the class and said the teacher was very young, and amazing and the kids seemed quite well behaved. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:19 AM Flag
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do the special needs students have to test also to get into LL? How do they qualify? Can they choose between A or LL too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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The special needs students are NOT in the gifted program. They are a self contained special ed class. They are placed by the district. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:03 AM Flag
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do they receive the same benefits as the g&t kids and do they attend the same activities? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:39 AM Flag
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Yes, the special ed students receive the same benefits (music, art, spanish, gym and computers as the kids in the G and T program. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:49 PM Flag
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Why would you evaluate an entire program based on scores alone? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:15 AM Flag
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Anyone in D2 can attend LL if they qualify. Not just UES. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:17 AM Flag
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I suspect your racial references are simply to start an argument. LL is a test into program and the apps are color blind. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:18 AM Flag
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True - for some, but many (in some years, most) LL kids are not zoned for 198. D2 is extremely large. And if you account for the inclusion of the self-contained special needs classes, LL scores are usually among the highest in the city (in some years, the highest) and definitely highest in D2. All that said, 198 doesn't "suck," but it is much larger (more classes per grade, though the class size is smaller than LL) and the teaching is more narrow given the make up of the student population. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:19 AM Flag
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do you know if the special needs classes have to test as well? can they select any school they want? are these classes g&t too? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:40 AM Flag
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A self contained special needs class has dc in it that cannot function in a general ed class. kwim? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:04 AM Flag
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The kids in self contained special ed are mandated to be in certain classes, the test's have nothing to do with it. They go to whatever school has a self contained class with an opening. Parent's do get some say as to where they want their kids to go. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:52 PM Flag
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because there are some great general eds in the city? is that a shock to you? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:21 AM Flag
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where is lower lab? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:30 AM Flag
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96 street between lexington and third [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 06:39 AM Flag
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BECAUSE G&T IS A CROCK AND IS NOW FULL OF SOME OF THE DIMNEST KIDS IN TOWN [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 07:34 AM Flag
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Dimnest? Really? Your finger was already on the "m" key... [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:33 AM Flag
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LL scores are better. First, look at the scores for "general education students". That removes the "special education" scores. Second, compare the number of 4s at LL vs the zoned schools you're looking at. To answer questions above, no, the special ed classes are not G&T. They [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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^^^they're totally separate from LL. I don't know how kids get placed there. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 08:32 AM Flag
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A school psychologist tests and recommends specific Special Ed services for a child. There is a Special Ed placement office in the Dept of Ed, that places kids in the specific classes where there are openings. It has nothing to do with the test that other kids take to get into G & T. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 12:56 PM Flag
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intersting. so if dd or ds needs a bit of help in math say or writing? where do they go if deemed g&t? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 08:07 AM Flag
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interesting. if dd or ds needs a bit of help in math or say english but already accepted as g&t what happens? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 08:09 AM Flag
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np - Then the G&T school should handle it. The dc will definitely not be put into a Special Needs class. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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LL scores are significantly better than 234, 290, 6 etc. Over 85% of the scores do not a statistically significant difference between LL Vs. NEST and Anderson. The only real substantial difference (with N & A) is the percentage of 4s on ELA and Math scores for 3rd and 4th. By 5th grade even this difference compresses significantly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.17.08, 09:17 AM Flag
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Just be happy with your school w/o putting down any other one. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.18.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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