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06.13.08, 08:13 AM New York City
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Do you think a Freedom of Information Act request would succeed in getting more info about the pre-K lottery process? DOE majorly screwed up, but they're not admitting it. I want to know exactly how badly they messed up. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
New York City 06.13.08, 08:13 AM Flag
 

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You would need to be more specific about what documents you need. A FOIA is to request a specific piece of paper, from my experience. Sounds like you are proposing a full-scale investigation, which would probably have to come from the Mayor's office or the DA's office. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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how about finding out the make-up (i.e. sib vs. non-sib, zone vs. out of zone) of the kids admitted to the pre-K class I wanted dc to get into? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:16 AM Flag
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I think that would be out and out non-public information. You can't reveal names of the kids, etc. so I doubt you could reveal the class make-up. It's entirely within their right to size the class as they choose. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:17 AM Flag
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In other words, you'd get the kid's name -> from there find the kid, where they live, etc. -> all of that is nonpublic. Even if a Private eye took on the case you are walking on a fine line and may not be able to use that info in a court action since it was not public. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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ok, I guess I'll just have to write to the Mayor's office or the Public Advocate to have them launch an investigation. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:19 AM Flag
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Yes, or start a petition to do so! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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ok, i know this is annoying to everyone who is in the middle of it, but can you recap what this schools situation is for those of us who are not involved? i'm curious. what did the doe do wrong? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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DOE was supposed to give preference to: (1)siblings of students in the school, then (2) kids in the zone, then (3) out-of-zone, non-sub kids. Turns out that 2's and 3's were admitted over 1's, and 3's were admitted over 2's. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:20 AM Flag
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yeah, but the DOE farmed out the lottery process to some company in PA [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:26 AM Flag
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oh man, that's bad, and sort of unfixable unless they do a re-do. was it for nyc? elementary? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:21 AM Flag
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NYC pre-K [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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FOIA is federal only. DOE is a city agency. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:14 AM Flag
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Yes but you can cite the federal law in a state request - should not be an issue [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:18 AM Flag
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In reply to above poster, you can cite any law you want in your request, even Murphy's Law. The issue is whether the agency is required by law to disclose its official records, and my point was simply that FOIA is not binding on city or state agencies. It applies only to federal agencies, and even where it does apply, there are a multitude of exemptions. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:22 AM Flag
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You win. Thank you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:25 AM Flag
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Yes, but many states have their version of the federal FOIA. I'm not sure if it applies to city agencies, though, but it might. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 08:34 AM Flag
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I think there are probably better ways to work the system. IF you have a sib at the school and did not get a spot, go talk to the principal, then keep moving up the ladder. You attract more flies with sugar than you do with poop [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 09:31 AM Flag
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I think flies really prefer the poop over the sugar, though. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 09:50 AM Flag
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Kids don't need pre-K. Get a grip, lady. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 09:52 AM Flag
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What will you do with this information? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.13.08, 09:56 AM Flag
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