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06.05.08, 18:13 PM General Topics
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I'm really glad we have an African American candidate, I think it's wonderful. But I can't help thinking he's going to lose, because his campaign, his supporters, and the press all just don't get it. They don't get how sad it is that the a woman who was equally, if not more, qualified was trashed and demonized, and her supporters were shouted down constantly. They don't get that you can't just order people to get into their place and support you. They don't get that the way she was treated was wrong, and people will remember that. That they have not only alienated women, but other core parts of the democratic party. They don't get that it is not racist to think of yourself as a "hard working white american". I wish I could believe he will be elected, but I don't think he can. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
General Topics 06.05.08, 06:13 PM Flag
 

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Dear lord. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:14 PM Flag
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I think he can, but also think it would be a very good thing for him to choose her as his running mate. Basically telling her that she lost and it's time to disappear does nothing except piss off very close to half (or more than half, if you count MI and FL) of the voters. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:15 PM Flag
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np: I voted for HRC in February. The only person I'm pissed at right now is HRC herself. You shouldn't assume that 1/2 of the voters at mad at Obama, polls show it's a much much smaller percentage. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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ITA, from the exist polls on Tuesday over 60% of HRC voters will vote for Obama in November with no issue. And some of the ones that say they'll stay home (15-20%) will reconsider. He will need to work on that but has time to do it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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I get that, but don't get how it could hurt for them to just both be on the ticket. She should be on his short list anyway. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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It could hurt to have her - she wants attention only on herself, her DH is exactly the same way, they have already done this before and will have a very hard time playing second fiddle, I don't want another strong VP a la Cheney, even if it's a good politician. I could go on and on. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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He said today she was, but after this open campaign for the spot he can't afford to choose her. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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HRC will lose him far more independents than she will gain him Democrats. She is the embodiments of the Karl Rove, turn-out-the-base, get 50% plus one and forget the independents politics... it's just antithetical to his campaign. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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the democrats are turning on themselves. When you equate the Clintons with Rove, you will lose. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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np: Sorry but HRC has used a number of tactics right out of Rove's playbook in this campaign. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:25 PM Flag
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So did Obama. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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nnp: Yep. The Clintons were some of the founders of slash and burn politics. Sucks when you get burnt by your own playbook. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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he is doing the same thing, but in a sneakier way. It will bite him in the ass eventually. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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I completely agree with you that he is doing the same thing. The Clintons and Bush have ensured that there is no other way to possibly win our votes. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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so stupid to blame them, time after time. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:36 PM Flag
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It's nothing more than the truth. It started back with Reagan, and really soared (by both sides) during Clinton's administration. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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but he can do it and remain blameless, while she is evil. good luck with that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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He needs to do a lot of it in GE otherwise Rove and Co. will eat him alive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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It's the precise same philosophy: that the electoral map is unchanging, that the base is all that matters, that there are few true independents, and every election will be about getting Ohio and Florida and winning by 20 electoral votes or less... forever. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:28 PM Flag
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what makes you think it will be different this time? He is more of the same old same old [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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np: The electoral map has changed significantly. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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this is magical thinking [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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Nothing magical about it, but FL is not really a swing state any more. VA and CO definitely are. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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He'll never tell her it's time to disappear. But the joint ticket is a disaster waiting to happen for both of them. I think once Hillary takes the time to think about it she will realize it too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:16 PM Flag
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She doesn't want it. You people are clueless. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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That would be a HUGE mistake. If he choses her he will lose. Too many of the swing voter republicans hate her. He can get the working class white vote in many other ways, Edwards, Strickland, etc. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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ITA. But the main reason he can't choose her is that by going publicly after VP spot, Hillary backed him in the corner and if he gives into pressure and chooses her GOP will have a field day painting him as a weakling that can't make one decision on this own. He can't afford that. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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That is true too. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:24 PM Flag
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This makes a lot of sense. I hope she finds her own place though, whether it be in the senate or another appointed role. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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He will offer her the healthcare cabinet spot and hopefully she will take it, I think she would get it right on second try. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:30 PM Flag
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the main reason he can't choose her is because he is only where he is because he helped turn her into a monster in his supporter's eyes, and now he can't use her for support. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:35 PM Flag
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You are crazy. She is the one who went negative big time after he started winning. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:37 PM Flag
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okay then [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:39 PM Flag
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I really hope youre kidding. No one can be that delusional. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:18 PM Flag
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It's really incredible that she doesn't see that this is politics as usual or that you could say nearly the exact same things about HRC and her campaign. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:21 PM Flag
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She trashed him far more than he trashed her. You need to get over it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:19 PM Flag
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I am over it. I am not voting for him. I think he's going to lose. Hopefully, she won't be his vice president and he can lose on his own. He made a big mistake in winning this way, in not courting the votes he needs. If he does win, I'll be glad for him, but I don't think he'll be a very effective president. I just don't have much faith in him, and in the way that he won the nomination. He seems to be a product of the political system, and when he claims not to be it seems hypocritical to me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:23 PM Flag
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I liked you better when you were cut and pasting rants from feminist websites [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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np: It is curb mom, isn't it? Maybe she was really pro-Hillary after all. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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She's not pro-Hillary. She's pro-McCain, still trying to sabotage the Dems. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:33 PM Flag
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or: I always believed she was. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:34 PM Flag
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He courted every single vote. It was Hillary who said hard working white americans won't vote for him, remember? He tried what he could to get people, his team knocked on any door they could in every state. What else could he do? Some people just prefered HRC> [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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Seriously? OBAMA is a product of the political system but Clinton is not? You have got to be kidding me. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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they both are. that he claims not to be will be his undoing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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You again. We GET your point. Many just don't agree with it. Doesn't mean we don't get it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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She did not get trashed any more than Obama has. I am offended by sexism as much if not more than most people, and I agree that sexism played a role, but it was NOT the only factor. She made many mistakes in her campaign, and was very heavy-handed in the end. Still, if by some strange quirk she had managed to pull it off, I would have not only voted for Clinton but worked for her to get republicans out of office. Any democrat who won't do the same because his/her feelings are hurt by a rough political process is extremely self-centered as far as I'm concerned, if they'd rather let the republicans win than get over their anger. And, btw, I was offended by the divisiveness of hardworking white American, since I fail to see the difference between hardworking white and hardworking black Americans, or the point of phrasing it that way, unless the goal was to divide people [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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because the hard working black american will vote for him just because he is black. But the hard working white americans need another reason to vote for him [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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np: You just outed yourself. This is a McCain stooge, ladies. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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nope. you wish. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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I don't agree with your premise that black people will vote for him just because he's black (kind of insulting, suggesting black people have no political views beyond color). It's more that Clinton was suggesting somehow that she understands hardworking white people (and not black people?) and Obama doesn't, because his father was black, which is, well, offensive. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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Oh, woman up. He does not need to apologize for winning. Someone loses every campaign, they get nasty things said about them and it sucks. Obama himself has been exceptionally gracious, but if you're determined to sulk, no one can stop you. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:20 PM Flag
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ok, thanks. Very gracious of you to allow me to vote any way I want to. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:26 PM Flag
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np: Again, your language choices are outing you. You are the same person who has been posting for ages. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:29 PM Flag
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It's true. You come on with some BS about how you're delighted that there's an African American nominee, but you're "afraid" he will lose--then you get ticked off and say you've already decided you're not going to vote for him. Face it--the only acceptable restitution for you would be for him to step down and hand the nomination to its rightful owner, Hillary. As that is not going to happen, I bid you good day. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:31 PM Flag
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I find it offensive that you assume that when I identify as a hard working white person it is automatically racist. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:47 PM Flag
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Who said you're racist? (I don't even know if you're hardworking.) I just think you're disingenuous in saying you think his nomination is "wonderful." I think you're deeply angry your candidate lost and that despite what you say about his campaign needing to learn lessons, *nothing* they do would get you to vote for the guy who had the temerity to take her nomination away. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:54 PM Flag
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you're totally wrong. I don't even like her that much. But she does represent my views better than he does, she does seem more competent, and I hate the way she has been treated. I am happy about his candidacy, it's much better than a female candidate being beaten down by a white man. I can feel more than one emotion at a time. I am more sad than happy, that is true. I would have voted for him, but I can't now. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 07:00 PM Flag
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Go tickle yourself & get over it - ENOUGH [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:22 PM Flag
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: ) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:40 PM Flag
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People treated Hilary like crap, and as I woman that really dissapointed me. I like and admire Obama but a lil piece inside of me was rooting for Hil. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:27 PM Flag
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You are ignorant and honestly not enough to be interesting [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:38 PM Flag
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Okay! I really will never vote for him, but I hope he wins. And I won't vote for McCain. But I will be happy in Obama loses. Figure that out, brainiac. : ) [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:46 PM Flag
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np: I actually get that. It's how I felt about Hillary. Nearly feel that way about Obama. But when the chips were down, I think I would have voted for Hillary rather than risk McCain - my fear of McCain would have trumped all other feelings. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:49 PM Flag
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I'm not afraid of McCain. I lived through both Bushes and Reagan. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 06:51 PM Flag
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clapclapclapclapclap!!!! ittttttttttta! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.05.08, 07:42 PM Flag
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