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I've decided, I'm not vaccinating my daughter. You can flame all you want, but mark my words, you'll wish you were me 20 years from now. [ Reply | Watch | Flag ]
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General Topics 07.19.08, 05:05 PM Flag
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except for her decision not to vaccinate affects your dcs as well. vaccinations are not 100% effective. when her dc comes to school with whooping cough, a significant portion of the vaccinated kids will be affected also. [ Reply | More
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why would she send her dc to school with whooping cough? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 07:09 AM Flag
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do you know anything about how whooping cough spreads? you are infectious even when you are not symptomatic. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 07:11 AM Flag
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I thought children that weren't vaccinated couldn't attend schools though...is that not the case? that is SCARY if not. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 03.05.10, 08:18 PM Flag
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If they have an exemption they can attend school. NYS allows medical and religious exemptions. All states have some form of exemptions allowed, other states are much better because they allow for selective vaccines so parents aren't pressured into doing no vaccines when they really want to just avoid certain ones. In NYS it's all or nothing, which stinks for everyone if you really think about it. [ Reply | More
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I would say it to their faces! These twee bobo monkeys are risking pre-vax age infants and immno-compromised people. The only justice is that some of their precious darlings will die in front of them from preventable diseases. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 07:24 PM Flag
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Legally you have the right to do what you want, but I would tell you to your face that I think you're an effing moron. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.17.09, 03:49 PM Flag
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^^ the non-vax person is a moron [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.17.09, 03:51 PM Flag
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You are taking your opinion way too far. I am pro-vax, but your condescension is disgusting. How could you say something like this, even rhetorically, about a child? [ Reply | More
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You're doing your children a favor by not vaccinating. You aren't putting their immune system at risk and you aren't putting those nasty toxins in their bodies. GOOD JOB, For actually doing research and not just talking out of your ass or out of your doctor's mouth! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 01:46 AM Flag
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yes, good job! put them at risk for measles and polio and many other debilitating diseases. people who think this way about the "nasty toxins" are uninformed and clearly haven't seen the toll these diseases take in other parts of the world. be careful where you travel! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:19 AM Flag
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Yeah, the doctors are just sales people for the drug companies, they are drug pushers, or vaccine pushers. My child was never vaccinated, and is perfectly fine, he has a perfect immune system and has never been sick, not even with a slight cold, or any childhood ear infections. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.07.09, 01:53 AM Flag
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-" he has a perfect immune system" [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.01.10, 09:36 AM Flag
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Are you seriously that stupid? Yeah, don't listen to people who have trained for a decade or more for medicine. Those knowledgeable in BIOLOGY. Who's everyday job is to have SCIENTIFIC FACTS. Don't listen to the expert's advice, listen to some idiots unsourced advice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.01.10, 09:34 AM Flag
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But what would happen if everyone started to not vax for those same reasons? What do you think? Please answer, I'm really interested in your response. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.01.10, 09:41 AM Flag
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ABUSE!! Who the f### are you to tell anyone that not vaccinating is abuse. Personally I think that vaccines are an assalt on human health. I don't think you abuse your kids when you vaccinate, just that you aren't well informed. You think you are doin what is right for your kid. There are parents spending 10 years in prison for Shakin Baby Syndrome, then years later they realize that the vaccines are the cause of some of these cases. People like you put people at risk for your dumb theories. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.07.09, 01:50 AM Flag
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holy lord. people get more stupid every day. let's hear some theories about what the birth control in our water is doing to your mental health [ Reply | More
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General Topics 11.08.09, 06:31 PM Flag
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What if I think you're abusing MY kids if you don't vaccinate? I shudder to think that my baby will get H1N1, measles, whatever because you're a self-righteous, selfish idiot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 12.18.09, 06:39 PM Flag
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You are moron. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.07.09, 06:40 AM Flag
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good argument. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 01:46 AM Flag
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that is actually not the truth. have you researched this at all before putting other people's kids at risk? as in reading about this in credible sources? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:17 AM Flag
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except babies less than 1 year old who can't even get a vaccine yet [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.21.08, 05:10 PM Flag
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but if those waiting room kids got measles, they weren't vaccinated...or are you saying they were all sitting in that waiting room waiting for their shots? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.07.09, 07:19 AM Flag
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infants aren't born with the MMR shot. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 04:18 AM Flag
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but they get immunity from their mothers, at least while they're bfing. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 05:58 AM Flag
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They don't get a specific immunity to measles!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 07:41 PM Flag
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a relatively small portion of the people who get vaccinated are still susceptible to the disease, because no vaccine is perfect. that is why everyone needs to be vaccinated--herd immunity keeps you from being exposed to the disease in the first place. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.17.08, 07:28 AM Flag
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I have to agree with this. I debated long and hard regarding vaccinating my son. I finally decided to do it but ppl put their trust in the medical community and their motives aren't always pure. [ Reply | More
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ITTTA. It is our responsibility to research and look into everything and not just take things doctors say as gospel. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.07.09, 07:20 AM Flag
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I agree, as well. I researched Dr. Sears' theories on vaccinations and sought out and met with a doctor in connecticut who followed his theories. Ultimately I decided to vaccinate, but it was my conversation with this particular doctor that made me feel comfortable in my decision. He had done HIS research on vaccinations, both pro and against, and further educated me on the matter. [ Reply | More
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How much training do you get on vaccines? Have you ever actually researched this to the full extent? I know when I asked my doctor about it, she didn't know anything about and it could not answer a single question. I am 26...I didn't have near as many vaccines as they are giving now...and I'm still alive. YOu are trained in medicine so you would obviously feel this way. Do mind answering exactly how much money is made from vaccines each year? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 02:00 AM Flag
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i came to NY from the CDC. not a physician, i am a scientist. no financial interest in vaccines. you are alive and well because of herd immunity. and because even in the old days, before vaccines, many people survived to adulthood unscathed. but many didn't. vaccinating is about protecting PUBLIC HEALTH, not about scattered anecdotes from people like you. [ Reply | More
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Good for you! And? Your stupid for even saying that [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.22.08, 07:25 PM Flag
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there are so many immigrants everywhere that bring all sorts sorts of things with them. I understand not vaxing for all but some are important. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.23.09, 10:31 AM Flag
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is it a religious exemption? otherwise ur lying and you should be reported [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 05:52 AM Flag
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You are why religious exemptions should be eliminated. I don't care if you don't vax, just stay away from the rest of society, and quit riding off our immunity. [ Reply | More
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This is true. However, have you considered vaccinating for some diseases and not others? I think the important thing is finding a doctor who will work with you to space out or select vaccinations. Eliminating them altogether seems a little extreme, no? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 07:24 PM Flag
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I am 25. I was fully vaccinated with all the vaccines given now to children (though mine HAD mercury in them, I'm sure). No autism, no problems, no major illnesses. I am one of MILLIONS. (and fwiw, there has been no decrease in autism cases since thymerisol was taken out of vaccines). I hope your darling daughter doesn't contract polio [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.07.09, 06:05 AM Flag
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Polio, are you f****** kidding me? LOL, DO YOUR RESEARCH!!!! Polio was already declining before the vaccine!!! All of these diseases were. Do you know what's inside a vaccine? Holy Hell, I hope your children, don't get cancer, diabetes or some other Auto Immune Disorder. Why is that cancer, diabetes and Auto Immune Disorders are on the rise and now we get some many more vaccines? I didn't have near as many vaccines as they give now, and somehow I am still alive. AMAZING!!! I can't believe all of these 90 year olds that are still alive from all these "deadly" diseases going around. Do you realize that any of these diseases can be treated with an antibiotic? You people really need to get a brain and do some research. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 01:55 AM Flag
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ummm, correlation does not equal causation. from an epidemiologist. lots of things have been increasing recently, including life span (hence many cancers), overnutrition (diabetes), and many forms of pollution. AND many believe that a lot of autoimmune disorders are actually caused by lack of immune exposure to pathogens or their proxies (like vaccines). [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:28 AM Flag
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actually, no, many of these diseases cannot be treated with an antibiotic because they are viral. hence the need for vaccines. measles, mumps, polio... at least learn the most basic facts if you are going to make such a stupid decision. might find your mind changes... [ Reply | More
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my boyfriend's brother got polio. he is in his early 30s. he is crippled. [ Reply | More
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NP: they haven't proven that there is a link, but they also haven't proven that there ISN'T a link. I work with children with autism, and I know a few who were developing beautifully until the MMR shot. [ Reply | More
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Funny considering you can't prove a negative. IF you want people to take it seriously prove a scientific link as is your theory or admit failure. [ Reply | More
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That's the Glenn Beck line of reasoning... I'm just saying, prove it isn't true. And not that Jenny McCarthy hasn't written a couple of amusing books about mommyhood, but I think you're out of your tree if you're taking medical advice on autism from her. [ Reply | More
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You are a complete moron. You can't prove a negative. You are the poster child for the failure of science education in America, and how it leads rubes like you to make terrible decisions that affect all of us. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 10.19.08, 07:23 PM Flag
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Actually, since autism rates have continued to increase even in children born after mercury was removed from vaccines, the mercury theory is effectively dead. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.10.12, 10:50 PM Flag
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hi, i work on autism. the links have totally been debunked to the satisfaction of virtually everyone in the scientific community. so if that's what you're worried about... no need. vaccinate your kids. [ Reply | More
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They have all been totally debunked. You'll never find any proof good enough because then you'll be wrong. And you would have known all along you're endangering your child and everyone else around you with your misinformed stupid ass. [ Reply | More
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they have been totally debunked. the british doctor who created the whole uproar has lost his medical license [ Reply | More
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There are state exemptions, you don't need vaccines to get into school!!! Ha [ Reply | More
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ITA. and reality will hit them when they want to take their DCs anywhere other than the US or Western Europe for the first time - I wouldn't take DC to Mexico or the Caribbean without MMR and polio vaccines. It will also be a problem when they are told that their DCs can't live in a college dorm until they have been fully vaccinated. [ Reply | More
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Wow. Ignorant and obnoxious, too! It's fine for you to make your own decision about your child, but why are you mocking someone who told you about her own situation? If your dc gets measles, will you be as sympathetic? I think you just don't like hearing from someone whose parents made the same decision you're making and didn't have a positive experience. [ Reply | More
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you are more responsible than your parents were, sorry to say. [ Reply | More
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are you kidding?? europe has had major measles outbreaks in the last few years. stay away from there too. [ Reply | More
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Yes, check out the recent outbreak of Polio in the Amish of Minnesota - they immediately when out and got everyone vaccinated. [ Reply | More
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whooping cough and measles don't kill, the people I have known to have them got over them as easily as a cold, but sure trade them for autism, and many other problems that will make you brain dead, or kill you. Sure [ Reply | More
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whooping cough kills babies, dumbass. adults can get over it but it is dangerous for infants. [ Reply | More
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I was vaccinated and still ended up with measles! [ Reply | More
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thank you for so eloquently saying exactly what I was thinking [ Reply | More
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amen! Believe it or not, doctors are NOT out to kill or hurt our kids. well there is an occasional bad apple, but COME ON! This intelligent person hit the nail right on the head. These over educated, have more money then brains and treat vaccinating as an OPTION and there are mothers that would give their fingers (more Im sure) to get their kids these shots. Blows my mind. YOu. Are. Amazing. can we be friends? lol [ Reply | More
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this is NOT dramatic! my son is not yet old enough for the MMR vaccine, so he should be at risk just because moronic parents like OP refuse to vaccinate their children? if it didn't affect me, i would be fine with it, but it does! i know its not the kids' fault that they have idiots for parents, but kids who are not vaccinated should be kept separate in classrooms and playgroups. if you dont want to vaccinate, then at least wear a sign so that i know to stay away from you and your child! [ Reply | More
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what sort of immune deficiency? which id docs recommend this? ive consulted with a few, and found most still favor immunizations, in partial doses sometimes, but most think it's more risky for these kids to get these diseases if they are so immune deficient. i've had patients post transplants on immune suppressants and kids post chemo get vaccinated. yes, its a gamble, but many docs do err on the side feeling vaccines are worth the risk. though many disagree. curious who youve consulted with . [ Reply | More
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it makes me really sad ignorant people like you can make such an important decision that puts so many dcs at risk. VACCINATIONS ARE NOT 100% EFFECTIVE! that is why it is so important that virtually all of the population is vaccinated. herd immunity--the fact that most people are protected against the disease--prevents it from circulating in the population. this stops people who can't be vaccinated b/c of medical problems or people who were vaccinated but are still susceptible from getting the disease. [ Reply | More
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from what you say it sounds as if your dc is a special situation. herd immunity will protect those like her, who can't be safely vaccinated. IF parents of healthy children vaccinate them. people like OP are putting people like your dc at risk. [ Reply | More
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I posted above about mothers giving their fingers to get their kids shots.... I agree with other posters about your child being an exception. I may do the same thing if I were you. However, when many of us speak about stupid women not vaccinating their children, it is not women like you who have been advised to NOT vaccinate b/c the vaccines may immediately harm your db. I am so sorry for your situation and I apologize if my comment offended you. hang in there. and if I were you, I would def be keeping my daughter in a bubble so ignore those comments! [ Reply | More
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Most people think it is so important to vax healthy kids because they want to protect those that truly can't be vaccinated, like yours. Herd immunity protects vulnerable children like yours. But it only works if a high enough percentage of kids are vaccinated... the number is different for different vaccines, but typically the percentage is in the 80s-90s. [ Reply | More
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there is much more support for this theory than for the theory that vaccines cause autism. as in there is robust evidence for the former. sorry to break it to you. [ Reply | More
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Do you have any scientific studies to even remotely support that? Or did you just make that up because you feel like it? [ Reply | More
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holy shit - this is one of the most offensive, racist and narrow minded comments I've seen on here in a while. Tell those mothers and fathers that their child's death is not news. And, welcome to the global economy, where people travel, to "freaking Africa" (it's a big place you know - lots of countries). Better hope that no one who has traveled there comes in contact with your brood. From WHO... * Measles is a leading cause of death among young children even though a safe and cost-effective vaccine is available to prevent the disease. * In 2007, there were 197 000 measles deaths globally - nearly 540 deaths every day or 22 deaths every hour. * More than 95% of measles deaths occur in low-income countries with weak health infrastructure. * Measles vaccination efforts have reaped major public health gains, resulting in a 74% drop in measles deaths between 2000 and 2007 worldwide - a drop of about 90% in the eastern Mediterranean and Africa regions. * In 2007, about 82% of the world's children received one dose of measles vaccine by their first birthday through routine health services, up from 72% in 2000. (Two doses of the vaccine are recommended to ensure immunity, as about 15% of vaccinated children fail to develop immunity from the first dose.) [ Reply | More
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That 'doctor' has trained in biology for almost a decade or more and his/her knowledge in the subject is far beyond yours. Don't listen to the experts advice, listen to some idiot who is endagering her child! [ Reply | More
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I have a friend who doesn't vax as well. Her kids are sick even more than mine. So that theory doesn't really work. Show me a scientific study please. [ Reply | More
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I am pediatric ICU nurse and today I spent 12 hours fighting to keep alive a 5 week old with RSV and Pertussis. Her parents didn't want her vaccinated for either despite the fact that she was 9 weeks premature. Believe me when I tell you this kiddo will not survive the night. It stuns me that in the face of hundreds of years of evidence regarding infectious disease and subsequently, vaccination we are still having this conversation. What's more, in 12 years of doing this I have zipped many a child into small little body bags for diseases that are completely preventable. We put helmets on their heads, pads on their knees, belt them in a car to protect them from accidents. But we won't give their bodies the tools it needs to prevent DISEASE?????? Because we're guessing that vaccines might cause autism? Explain the general rates of autism climbing worldwide with NO correlation between their vaccine schedule and ours?? [ Reply | More
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Moron, the baby contracted it from someone who had not been vaccinated against it already. Could have been someone like OP's kid. [ Reply | More
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You aren't vaccinating your child? I hope you plan on home schooling, and I hope you don't plan on ever sending the kid to college, because thankfully those organizations are run by people with brains and require vaccinations. Why do you WANT your child to get sick? You are a TERRIBLE parent. You are abandoning modern health for the sake of your own liberal agenda. Do you also let your child drink dirty water [ Reply | More
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Vaccination is not REQUIRED by any school. All states have exemptions. And those who do not vaccinate their children for the most part are far more educated than those who do. [ Reply | More
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There are no schools that REQUIRE vaccination. All 50 states have exemptions. The ignorance of those who blindly vaccinate without question astounds me ! Those who choose not to vaccinate their children are for the most part very well educated and are looking out for the best interest of their child. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/114/1/187 Shame on you for calling anyone TERRIBLE. How much do you personally know about vaccines ? Not what someone has told you ? [ Reply | More
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States are required to have exemptions for constitutional reasons - so children whose parents have religious objections to vaccination or children that can't be vaccinated for TRUE medical reasons can still go to school. These exemptions were never intended to be and shouldn't be used as a free pass for parents that just don't feel like vaccinating. If you don't want to vaccinate, accept the CONSEQUENCES of your decisions and don't send your kids to school. (And your idea of "education" is, BTW, laughable. You read a bunch of made up stuff on the internet and consider yourself informed and superior?) [ Reply | More
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Who the hell are you to tell someone not to send their kids to school!!?? If you believe in the vaccines and think they work then why are you worried about the ones who aren't?? Obviously that says you don't believe they really work. It is a free country and anyone has that right to choose you moron! [ Reply | More
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Oh hell no, a terrible parent is someone who didn't do there research on vaccines, and obviously you didn't! I am not calling people who vaccinate terrible parents, I just called them misinformed. But to call us terrible parents for not vaccinating when we did our research, and found out for ourselves the horrible truth about them, you need to keep your mouth shut!! [ Reply | More
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OK, I'm biting because I think something's amiss with everyone's comments. And it's this: WHY DO YOU HATE AUTISTIC PEOPLE? For Pete's sake, you people sound EXACTLY like you're afraid your child's gonna turn a different skin color or turn gay. As an aspie, I'm disgusted by all you who dare even discuss autism as some sort of disease or disability. Makes me wonder who's really sick around here. [ Reply | More
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Do you have an autistic child??? Does he bite himself and other people? Can he talk? Can you leave him alone? Does he eat all foods? Are you afraid that when you die he will not be able to take care of himself? No? That's why. [ Reply | More
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i am a camp admissions director and we do not accept ANY children who arent fully vaccinated. all camp directors i know wouldnt go near your child with a ten foot pole. not to mention that if your child ever wants to work in a hospital in the future, most will disqualify her if she doesnt have immunity to basic communicable diseases. so basically you are limiting your child's options because of some unproven, random theory held by a few wackos. [ Reply | More
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Wow you should really try educating yourself before you speak. Aside from the obviously ignorant "random theory held by a few wackos" comment Hospitals never ask what your vaccination status is when hiring. That is personal medical information that is protected and no ones business but your own. I work for two major hospitals. You also have the right to refuse offered vaccines such as hep b and tdap. [ Reply | More
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NP: this is simply not true. you have to have a physical when you work for a hospital, they draw blood to check your titers and yes, they ask you about your vaccinations. signed, mom who works in a hospital in nyc. [ Reply | More
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You are wrong about that! You can work at a hospital without vaccination, you just sign the refusal slip [ Reply | More
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I don't think you'll b saying that in a few years when polio and other diseases make a come back. I wonder how many innocent children will lose their lives because parents decide not to do something to protect them. I wish people would do research and realize that there have been many studies to prove that there is no link between autism and vaccines. A friend of mine said it best "I'd rather have a child with autism then a child with polio". So I disagree, I think I'll be glad I'm not you 20 years from now. [ Reply | More
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80-90% of people who contract polio suffer a mild case with flu like or even milder symptoms lasting 24-72 hours with no lasting effects. And to whomever said that we should all study herd immunity they should take their own advice. My 3 very healthy unvaccinated children are not protected by herd immunity. Herd immunity is something that vaccine manufacturers made up (literally) to ensure high vaccination rates by making people believe they must achieve some magical percentage of vaccination among the population to be protected. Herd immunity actually refers to the natural protection a population experiences when a certain percentage of a population has natural immunity to a disease (specifically measles) the "phrase" was later adapted and the 95% chosen to be the magical number at which herd immunity is supposed to work was randomly chosen without scientific evidence to back it up. To everyone educate yourselves for yourself ! Not by reading the 6th grade level information given by the doctors office either. Stop buying into the fear and make your own decisions. [ Reply | More
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hi, i am an epidemiologist, and you are wrong. we calculate herd immunity by studying how effective the vaccine is against preventing disease. better vaccines need lower percentages of the population to be vaccinated in order to prevent a pathogen from circulating. there is no magic 95% number--each vaccine requires its own calculation. though 95% would certainly work for most vaccines. herd immunity works in basically the same way for natural infection and vaccines. that is, after all, what vaccines are created to mimic. please don't kid yourself that you are educated about this issue. [ Reply | More
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that's right, most people who contract polio have a very mild or even unsymptomatic illness. but what about the other ones? perhaps you've heard about what happens to them? [ Reply | More
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My mom is a bit of a hippy but still vaccinated me and my brother, my brother had a terrible reaction to the measles vaccine and she was told he would have been better off just getting the measles. She still encouraged me to vaccinate my kids. Her father got polio as a child so she knows first hand the dangers of childhood illnesses, and looks past her granola beliefs and advocates immunisation. I always figure that if something happened to my kids because I vaccinated them at least I had their best interests at heart. [ Reply | More
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To the person who said they are 25 and were fully vaccinated and are fine. Have you considered how many less shots you received compared to now. Its a HUGE difference. [ Reply | More
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I think everyone should get vaccinated. Not getting vaccinated has risks like dying from a disease you are not vaccinated against. Getting vaccinated will increase your risk of not dying or even getting sick from a preventable disease. Not being vaccinated is a health risk to others. If everyone stoped getting vaccinated think about how many diseases would come back. Diseases like measles, mumps, and rubella would come back. Think about how many people would die. The bottom line is not getting vacinated can pose severe health threats to you and others. [ Reply | More
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Do you realize that these diseases were on decline BEFORE vaccines? You would know that, if you actually did research. I studied every statistic...every ingredient, every disease that is linked to getting vaccines for months on end. Do you know what is inside a vaccine? That alone can pose many, many health risks and has caused many health problems and even death. If you read the statistics you will see that 33,000 adverse effects are REPORTED (that's only what doctor's/people report b/c they are not required to) each year? Do you know the HEP B shot given at birth last up to twelve years? You tell me why a child that is younger then twelve years will be put into a High Risk Situation? High Risk meaning, Firefighter, doctor's, prostitutes. Wow, I could go on and on....it looks like a lot of you don't do research....Doctor's have very little vaccine training in school...I got most of my stats right of the CDC website, Merck Manual (DOCTOR'S Reference Guide.) [ Reply | More
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I've said it repeatedly, I'll say it again: if you choose not to vaccinate your child fine, but I WANT TO KNOW! Why should I put my infant child at risk because of your disturbingly misguided notion that diseases are better than vaccines. Make any choice YOU want, but please clump yourselves together in a compound so the rest of CIVILIZED society can live safely with THEIR decision. Btw- the only reason your family WOULD NOT get an illness is that you are leeching the benefits off of those of us sane enough to vaccinate. [ Reply | More
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NP I would like to add to this, too. How come no one has answered this mom? I mean, if you take away the controversial part of her post, why hasn't anyone responded regarding disclosure if you decide not to vax [ Reply | More
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yes, it's true that diseases were on the decline before vaccines. but that doesn't mean that vaccines didn't help eliminate them. in some cases, when a disease becomes more rare, it is actually more harmful to the few who contract it, as the age at which you are infected increases. polio is an example. getting infected with polio as an adult is most likely to leave you crippled, while infection as a baby is often non-symptomatic. therefore, even though the prevalence of polio decreased before vaccines, the severity and the number of people who were crippled increased. that is one reason why we need vaccines. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:50 AM Flag
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BTW, You ignorance is showing again you dolt! The Merck Manual was last updated in 1992. You're trying to use a 17 year old manual that has been superseded by new studies and better research and better technology to make your boat float. Guess what? I just dropped a bombshell in your boat and sunk your battleship! LOL, loser! We're over here... in the 21st century. Do try to catch up or you will be left behind. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 01:53 AM Flag
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what are you TALKING about? i didn't mention the Merck Manual, and I have NO idea what this reply means. is there some medicine that you neglected to take today? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 07:11 AM Flag
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You're only partly correct. Diseases were on the decline... after the Black Plague wiped out 1/3 of population of Europe. So your data is both right and wrong. Right in the sense that there were less carries and people that either weren't infected or survived the plague didn't go far from home and had very little contact with neighboring communities for many years. During which there were several baby-booms. Then the disease rate began to rise again. This time though, there were fewer diseases but they were all stronger and harder to fight. You might want to brush up on world history before making that statement again. Vaccines were created to fight future and\or re-infection to the populace. Since then Vaccines have been standard practice since humans began to explore the world as a whole, not just the area around where they were born. Autism has been proven to be a neurological disorder. In other words, Autism is not something you would catch from someone else or by your kid playing with an autistic child at daycare. It's in the genes. Or, maybe it's the dope the mother was doing while pregnant that damaged the RNA coding, causing the DMA map for the brains wiring to be damaged and causing the Corpus Callosum to be under developed and the temporal, parietal, and occipital lobes to be over-sized causing the skull to increase in volume to accommodate the increased overall brain. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 01:44 AM Flag
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my 4 month old neice was hospitalized for two months and almost died because of inconsiderate people like you. your kid does not deserve this. I hope you are ostracized by all decent people. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 05:22 AM Flag
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What was she hospitalized for? That is awful and so scary. Makes me not want my dd to come in contact with any children until she's had all her shots, which I know is impractical and crazy, but just being honest. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 03.05.10, 08:55 PM Flag
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as a pediatrician I can tell you that your decision not to vaccinate your child is based on falsified data. No multicenter studies have found any conclusive links between autism and vaccinations. Complications from measles include encephalitis, pneumonia, and death. Mumps can cause orchitis and infertility. Chicken pox can cause sepsis and death. I can go on and on. Having had to treat children for life threatening H flu meningitis and watching healthy children become neurologically devastated vegetables, I can tell you that while you might not want to vaccinate your kids, advising other people not is irresponsible and morally wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 06:20 AM Flag
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Your morally wrong for if your not warning people about the adverse side effects of vaccines especially as a physician. Nature did not intend us to be shot up with poisons, hello!! Neurologically devastated vegetables??! Isnt that what you would call seriously austist children!! This is an outrage! Any parent of a child I know with autism has said they were fine before vaccines, so I think they would know. Why would they want to prove a link between autism and vaccines, they make too many profits on vaccines!!!!!! Talk to those who haven't vaccinated, such as myself, I can tell you my child has a wonderful immune system and has never been sick. Vaccinations strain the immune system! Don't listen to these fools who know nothing, seriously investigate it for yourself, and read "A shot in the Dark"!! I am glad I researched this for myself, instead of listening to the vaccine pushers who aren't conserned about human health, but only about their profits, that put us at risk. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.07.09, 01:19 AM Flag
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Autism is a primarily genetic disorder. There is some evidence to suggest that environmental factors may play some role but that has yet to be proven. Also most children aren't diagnosed with autism until around kindergarten or first grade. The symptoms of autism are hard to distinguish early on by the untrained eye. And because most people are intelligent enough to take advantage of modern medicine and vaccinate their children by this age almost all children with and without autism have been vaccinated by now. If you had a decent education you would have learned that correlation doesn't show causation. It's basic really. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.09, 10:33 AM Flag
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Before you run around telling the Majority how wrong we are, tell us, did you ask the parents of the autistic child if they had tested the child for autism in Utero? My money is on 'No', they didn't. If they did and the kid was born without autism, then you'd have a solid argument. If they didn't then saying the child was fine until they got vax'd and that's how the child got Autism, is so ignorant. But that's the cry of most "new" parents. They are young and stupid, think they know everything and "It'll never happen to them". GUESS WHAT? It HAPPENED! And it happened to you! Ignoring the 900lbs gorilla will only work for so long. At some point that gorilla is gonna start tearing stuff up, like your KID! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 12:54 AM Flag
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One more thing, Moron. Signs of autism will be visible within the first 6 months of a child's life. You REALLY need to do some homework. That 1950's medical text you're reading is mostly wrong now, the newer texts and research papers explain why those older texts are wrong and they proved they were wrong. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 12:58 AM Flag
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For someone so educated on vaccinations, you really should check your grammar and punctuation. "Your morally wrong..." And what's with all the exclamation points !!!! [ Reply | More
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General Topics 03.05.10, 09:13 PM Flag
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I've decided you're a douchebag. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 06:28 AM Flag
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General Topics 06.23.09, 08:30 AM Flag
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The best response I've ever seen on UB. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.23.09, 03:30 PM Flag
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No flaming--just sharing that your decisions are socially irresponsible. You are putting your dc at risk and the greater population for polio & smallpox, diseases that had been eradicated thanks to vaccines. In the long run, it's your dc who will suffer most since she hasn't been vaccinated. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:23 AM Flag
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Not vaccinating is child abuse. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 08:28 AM Flag
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fake [ Reply | More
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General Topics 04.15.09, 07:42 PM Flag
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I agree... I think this was a staged argument made by someone trying to stir up a pot of shit. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.12.09, 10:24 AM Flag
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at a certain point you'll have to as schools wont accept her nor camps. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.24.09, 02:03 PM Flag
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you're an idiot [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.24.09, 03:56 PM Flag
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Selfish decisions are easy to defend if all you care about is yourself. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 05.24.09, 04:15 PM Flag
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go visit a third world country and then decide. I had the 'risks from vaccinations' conversation with my doctor who has participated in 'doctors without borders' and he said trust me, after what I've seen, consider yourself fortunate we have vaccinations. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.09, 12:24 PM Flag
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WHO RESURRECTED THIS LONG ASS POST! JUST START A NEW POST IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOT VACCINATING. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 06.22.09, 12:33 PM Flag
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General Topics 06.23.09, 08:06 AM Flag
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WoW! Not vax'ing your child is like buying a brand new Rolls Royce and not getting insurance. God won't help or protect the ignorant or stupid. I'm GLAD I'm not going to be you in 20 years, crying over your child's grave because your kid got a normal childhood illness that, if they had been vax'd, would have been no big deal. But you didn't vax your child and he\she died from dehydration due to diarrhea from a mid-level flu infection. Why do you think people in the 1600's died at an average age of 38. Do you even know what the vaccinations do or why we need them? I'll bet you didn't breast-feed your kid either. You are an adult and you can decide for yourself if YOU want to get vax'd or not. But, you shouldn't force YOUR uninformed and ignorant decision on that innocent life that the gods (for what ever reason) have blessed you with. That child is YOUR charge, YOUR ward. it can't make these decisions for itself. Do you think you're smarter than the Doctors? Do you think you know something they don't? I'd bet good money you're still looking for the second shooter on the grassy knoll too. I'd say it right to your face too: You're an Idiot and the state should take your child away from you because you're endangering that child's life. Just wait, your kid will come home from school with Strep Throat or a chest cold and it'll turn into pneumonia, and they won't survive it. Their body was deprived of some of the basic building blocks that modern life demands be there when needed. You never gave those to your child. So your kid will be weak and sickly their entire life because you thought you were smarter than ALL the doctors that have been doing this since before YOU were born. All I can say is, you and your kid will never be allowed out of this country because you have to prove that you and\or your kids have had all their shots and will have to get another 18 before you can board a ship or plane headed out of U.S. waters or airspace. You must have been born in the shallow end of the gene pool. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 12:23 AM Flag
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I can't believe you would say that NOT vaccinating your child is irresponsible. It's not as if not vaccinating is based on laziness or lack of information. It is about researching the information out there. It is hard to make a choice that completely goes against the societal norm. I have 2 children, I was 21 when my son was born and was intimated by family, doctors, etc so I vaccinated mostly out of fear of being judged. I had already given birth without medical intervention or drugs, breastfed and was raising my child in an attachment parenting style before I knew what that was. So why was I afraid to question these injections when I was already going against the norm? C-sections, bottle-fed babies, constant antibiotics, that was the norm, yes doctor.... whatever you think doctor. Now that I am 33 and have a 2 yr old daughter and I more confident in voicing what my gut tells me. I have given her a few chosen vaccines that I feel comfortable with but have passed on some that I feel are not safe. NO MMR, Flu Shots, HPV, etc. These have been linked with paralysis, neurological damage, death and more. Myself, my mom, her mom, and so on had all the childhood illnesses and had not been damaged in the least.... those cases are unlikely (measles causing death). I try to raise my children free from hormones, contaminants, etc. If you could only know how difficult it is to read every book available, talk tireless to doctors, etc. maybe you would see that NOT vaccinating is a smart, not ignorant, choice. You said we are adults and can choose to NOT vaccinate ourselves but our children shouldn't be forced to have that choice bestowed on them.... I agree in your thinking but flip that around.... it is unfair to force someone to have a potentially harmful substance injected into their body against their will as they scream and you hold them down, they have no choice in that. Only when their life is being threatened can I see acting that way with my child. A life saving emergency, not a trip to the doctors office! My best friend is a doctor, although she believes in the power of medicine, she also will admit that we do not have nearly enough research and until drug/vaccination companies are not making a killing in profits from scaring us all into getting vaccinated then we shouldn't stop questioning where they come from and how they affect us. Talk to a naturopath, they will completely transform your thinking about pharmaceuticals. I thank the women (and men) who are brave enough to question what is going into their child's body and are ready to protect them when they can see more harm may come to them by agreeing with society, that by following not only their instincts but the overwhelming statistics that support their choice. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 10.23.09, 08:13 AM Flag
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I love how people blame vaccines for all the world's problems but have no issue with all the synthetic hormones we're given during labor...pitocin to name one...how is that worse? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 07.29.09, 08:03 AM Flag
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so... im just curious but why arent you vaccinating? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.23.09, 02:00 PM Flag
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I respect you for following your convictions but think you're an asshole for telling a mom she'll regret her decision in 20 years. I hope you come down with a deadly case of measles. You deserve it. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 08.23.09, 03:55 PM Flag
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My husband and I decided 12 years ago not to vaccinate. We revisit this issue regularly because it is such a hard issue. It is really hard to go against the crowd. But, we feel the vaccination risks and potential side effects were greater than the danger of contracting and dying from one of the diseases people vaccinate against. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.17.09, 03:30 PM Flag
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...another thought on this - just because you get vaccinated doesn't mean you won't get sick (they aren't 100%). And the reasons they give things like Hib to a 2-day old is because of the herd mentality - they don't know if that kid will have medical attention in the future, so they want to cover them now. There really isn't another reason to protect an infant from diseases that don't start showing up in people until they are in their teenage years or later. Also, adults also get whooping cough -- so just vaccinating kids won't stop the spread of it. Most adults don't even know they have it - it just seems like bronchitis. So protecting "the herd" is pretty impossible when it comes to this one. If you decide not to vaccinate, you will not have a problem getting your child into school. You will, however, face criticism from your pediatrician and people who feel the need to lecture you. Good luck. I'm sure you will revisit your decision as we have time and time again. Until their are verifiable 3rd party studies done without funding from the gov't or drug companies, or until some other piece of evidence comes to light, our kids will remain unvaccinated. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.17.09, 03:39 PM Flag
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But bhat what do you think would happen if everyone didn't vaccinate for the same reasons as you? Please respond - I'm really interested in your answer. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 02.01.10, 09:52 AM Flag
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There are many intellectuals that agree with you. Jenny McCarthy is the perfect example. Her qualifications are what....playboy bunny? [ Reply | More
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General Topics 09.17.09, 03:35 PM Flag
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Thank goodness we have parents like you who are willing to question, research, follow your instincts and make difficult decisions regarding your child. It's easy to drag them into the doctors for everything and put all the responsibility on modern medicine. Drugs, hospitals and doctors are for profit. Not that they do not save your life when the situation calls for it, but of course they are going to recommend you get vaccinated. Injecting your child with substances that sometimes have been tested for less than 2 yrs. and have cases of paralysis, death, autism, mental and behavioral damage... I mean seriously, a case of the chicken pox vs those deadly options.... how could you not want to look into that? We need to protect our children by not being afraid to dig for the information we need to make clear decisions. Some vaccinations are not known to injure and have no case history of causing harm, but a lot do..... do the research... pick and choice, for your child's sake. They don't have a voice, but you can be theirs. [ Reply | More
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General Topics 10.23.09, 08:19 AM Flag
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Thank god we have parents like you, after all without people like you in the world things like measles and polio could be eradicated. Childhood diseases could be wiped out and who would want that. Seriously, in 20 years, when your child is dead because you couldn't be bothered to listen to the pe